Training Trust

[00:00:04] Speaker A: Like, you don't need to be out there box jumping at 40. You'll be 40 soon, right? [00:00:07] Speaker B: Yes. [00:00:07] Speaker A: Yeah. You don't need to be doing box jumps. [00:00:09] Speaker C: And there's a risk and a reward. [00:00:11] Speaker A: Correct. To gain what, two more miles an hour of club head speed? [00:00:15] Speaker B: That's five extra yards. [00:00:18] Speaker A: Just get a fitting, get a new driver. [00:00:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:00:20] Speaker A: Really? [00:00:25] Speaker B: A little bit is better than nada. A little bit or nothing at all. [00:00:38] Speaker A: Well, yeah, but so like we can. We'll figure out some way to do the introduction. [00:00:42] Speaker B: All right, well, welcome back to whatever we call this. Welcome back. Welcome back to the fourth episode of the unnamed golf podcast. So since we talked last night, I haven't even edited the last one yet. So I can't remember what exactly we talked about, what we didn't, and what I've just thought about. But I know we talked about accepting outcomes and I've got a couple of outcomes that I've been forced to accept that I'm not particularly fond of. We'll get into that in a little bit. You had a big tournament and me and Mike got to kind of ride shotgun. [00:01:11] Speaker A: You mean my score was big? [00:01:13] Speaker B: Your first hole especially. I have, I do have a question that might even be a criticism. How did you. Because every time you would text us, I'm thinking, how are you focusing and doing what you need to be doing right now if you're texting us about how you're playing? So maybe that was part of the strategy. I didn't want to call you out on why you're playing. [00:01:28] Speaker A: It was because. So there's. There was several things to that. One, it was 106 degree heat index and people were playing slow. So I had five minutes between shots sometimes to sit and do nothing. So the other part of it was I was trying to accept by writing it out and sharing it with someone else. I was like, this happened. You know what I mean? I made a nine in the first hole. The two day tournament. [00:01:51] Speaker B: Well, we can get into Sunday, maybe a little more. I don't know if you gave us. You gave us a little download Sunday, but Saturday, dude, props to you because you made a nine on the first hole. You shot what, 81. [00:02:03] Speaker A: 80. [00:02:03] Speaker B: 80. So nine. You're five over walking off the first game. I know. [00:02:07] Speaker A: Trust me, I know. [00:02:08] Speaker B: And you play the last 17 holes plus three. It's hard to round it back. [00:02:12] Speaker A: You're making a nine. [00:02:13] Speaker B: Yeah, but your scorecard, I told you, man. It looked like a college geometry class. It was nut. You had what, four pars or something all day. It was birdie boogie, boogie, bogey, birdie, birdie, birdie, buggy boogie. I think I had six birdie, birdie, bogey boogie, bogey. [00:02:23] Speaker A: I think I had six birdies on the day or something like that. I completely obliterated the par fives, but. And I had a chip in, so five. Yeah, it was terrible. And again, like, I think if I'm honest with myself, right, y' all ask me, what are you gonna do prepare for this tournament? And I said, nothing. Right. That's, I think, where I probably messed it all up. [00:02:46] Speaker B: Smart thinking on the podcast about being better prepared to play better golf. What are you gonna do to prepare? Nothing. [00:02:52] Speaker A: To be better prepared at golf. That's right. [00:02:55] Speaker B: You're making your students take a poop before they tee off, and you couldn't even bother looking at the yardage book. I made a yard. [00:03:02] Speaker A: I didn't make a yardage book. But I didn't do anything to actually prepare by, like, playing. I think I. Because, again, I was teaching that PGA Junior Clinic all week from 9 to 12. I'm done for the day. Like, I've been outside all day. I think I played golf twice, and Monday and Tuesday that week, and I shot, like, 73, 74. So I was like, I'm good. Everything's flowing. I don't want to overdo it. [00:03:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:23] Speaker A: And then. [00:03:23] Speaker B: But everybody always plays just as good in tournaments as they do in practice anyway, so. [00:03:27] Speaker A: But I mean, like. And then I had my kids the rest of the week. Right. So it was like I just didn't really have time to prepare. But I felt good. I guess you could say I felt fine. [00:03:39] Speaker B: And I'll interject there, because. Yeah, hole number one. Well, where. But let's go back to that in a second, though, because first of all, hole number one doesn't sound like it was an execution problem. It was a. You had the wrong course. Well, I want you to tell that story as its own thing. But there is something to what you said there. You know, sometimes the theme of today is racing. You know, I know of stories of NASCAR guys that they get to the track and they unload and they take five laps and the car is perfect. And, like, what are we going to do to work on it? Like, it's perfect. Put it on the. Put it on jacks, as they say. [00:04:11] Speaker A: And then you blow a tire in the first turn. Yeah, that's what happened to me. [00:04:15] Speaker B: Sometimes it happens. But what happened on the first hole? Because you said that it wasn't I think it seems like I remember you saying that it was, you shouldn't have hit driver on that hole. But then did I also hear you say in the voice memo you sent us that you, like, there was some indecision there about it A little bit. [00:04:28] Speaker A: Because I probably shouldn't have hit driver. Yeah. [00:04:29] Speaker B: So, yeah. [00:04:30] Speaker A: Long story short, I have never. I played this course one time. Two, two and a half years ago maybe. Okay. So I didn't really remember anything. I made my yardage book with Google Earth. And this is the hard part about Google Earth. Yeah. This is the hard part about doing vertical image mapping. It's great for a generic idea, but until you actually know the course. Right. It's completely. [00:04:51] Speaker B: It's not gonna tell you elevation change. [00:04:53] Speaker A: I can still do elevation change on it, too. But still, you don't have firm. The course is gonna be right. Firmness matters too. [00:05:01] Speaker B: No, no, we're not going there. I'm gonna leave that one alone. I'm gonna leave that one alone. Welcome back to making a turn. [00:05:10] Speaker A: I actually think you should leave that. [00:05:11] Speaker B: We will. Yeah, we will. [00:05:13] Speaker A: But so, long story short, I get up to the first tee, driving range session goes great. Drivers going perfect. Irons are going great. I'm like, yeah, I'm ready. I'm rolling putts on the putting green. Everything's good. I'm trying not to get too hot because it's super sweaty. [00:05:25] Speaker B: Sure. [00:05:25] Speaker A: But I get up to the first tee and this is where I'm saying, I should have prepared this. I should have gone and played another practice round, but I didn't. Right. I just didn't have the time. It's an over an hour away to get there. [00:05:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:36] Speaker A: Didn't have the time of the week. And again, we're not. [00:05:38] Speaker B: I did think about coming and watching you, but after you shot 80 the first day, and it's like an hour and 12 to watch the guy that's knife that attempt. Nah, don't. I mean, I love you, but yeah, not good. So. [00:05:49] Speaker A: But like, tour players, lpga, pga, college players, they always play at least two practice rounds before the tournament. [00:05:55] Speaker B: Sure. [00:05:55] Speaker A: Right. So not only did I not know the course, and the first hole is insanely tough, you've got what I thought was out of bounds left, but apparently it was just hazard. You got out of bounds. Right. And then you've got a creek that comes in at about 3:30, but it's pretty much downhill past 270 and it goes downhill substantially into a hazard. Right. [00:06:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:15] Speaker A: So I'm getting up there on the first tee, ready to go, super pumped. Have driver. Don't even hesitate to grab driver. And I noticed the other people I'm playing with don't have driver. They have, like, a wood or something or an iron. I was like, what the heck? So they hit. I see the ball. Fine, whatever. And I was like, well, now I've made my decision. I know what I'm gonna hit. I'm gonna hit driver right at the top of my backswing. My brain goes, this is too much club. Because why didn't they hit driver? Why are they. And I slow everything down, and I hit a massive pole. And he goes left into what I thought was out of bounds hazard. This is also where you just play Jimmy Jack tournaments. I asked one of my former students who's the tournament director. I said, hey, Mike, is that out of bounds or has it. He goes, I don't know. I was like, wonderful, you know, so. [00:06:59] Speaker B: That leaves you with a tough decision there, because you. If it is, you can get yourself in trouble with that. Because if you re tee. [00:07:07] Speaker A: Yep. [00:07:09] Speaker B: And come to find out, it is hazard. [00:07:11] Speaker A: Yep. You're playing that now. [00:07:12] Speaker B: You've played that ball. [00:07:13] Speaker A: Correct. [00:07:13] Speaker B: And so you have to do it. [00:07:15] Speaker A: Yep. So that. [00:07:16] Speaker B: But if not, you've got to come back to the tee. [00:07:18] Speaker A: Correct. [00:07:19] Speaker B: Which sucks. [00:07:19] Speaker A: Yep. So I say, okay, I'm going to hit provisional ball completely over Correct. Naturally. Thinking I can't hit two balls out of bounds. Left, right. Hit another ball. It's slightly right, not knowing the course, whatever. There's trees, and then it bends around, but you can't see past the tree bend. So I hit it, and it's falling just on the tree line. And they're like, it opens up over there. [00:07:42] Speaker B: Cool. [00:07:42] Speaker A: So drive down to find my ball. It don't open up hardly at all. There's a cart path, and then there's out of bounds. Right. We never find the ball. Only can assume it's out of bounds. So now you found out that the. [00:07:52] Speaker B: First one is hazard. You found out now that it's hazard left. [00:07:55] Speaker A: But you can't go drop there. So you touched. I have to go all the way back and re tee. Hit driver again. The guys are in the fairway. No, hold on, hold on. The guys are in the fairway. Hit a perfect driver, drive up to go find my ball. They're like, dude, you're not gonna believe this. It hit perfectly on the downslope. And one hopped all the way into the hazard. The lateral hazard straight in front of you off the tee box. I see the ball, but it's unplayable. I'm like, you have got to be kidding me right now. It was a perfect tee shot. And so I said, mental note, this is not a driver hole. And so I didn't do it again the next day, but that's how I made a nine on the first hole. [00:08:33] Speaker B: And it's easy to say. And honestly, I think if you had known that you were going to make nine, you would have sucked it up and done this. But in the moment, okay, what's the textbook. What would Tiger Wood say you should do there? If you're not sure if it's a hazard or not, get in the cart, ride down, see if it's hazard. If it is hazard, take your drop. If it isn't hazard, go back to the tee and re. Tee. And I always hate going back to the tee. It's the most shameful walk in the world. And especially the first tee, because now these guys are waiting to tee off. They've got first tee jitters. And you're coming back there and you're disrupting their round. You're probably going to hit a worse shot now because of all the. So it's never. When you hit one, you know it's out of bounds, you grab another ball, you stick it in the ground and usually hit it right down the middle. Because it's one of the few times in the world you ever get to hit the same shot two times in a row. It usually does go well. But when you have to go through all that and then go back and mentally reset, it's a big. It's a risk in itself to make that ride down on that chance. Had you known what was going to play out. Yeah, you probably would have done that. [00:09:34] Speaker A: And call it a day. Yeah. But. And that's the other thing. The course just was not prepared. There was many situations out there where we're looking at each other, like, what is this? Is this out of bounds? No one knew because they didn't prepare the course. It's just. That's. [00:09:45] Speaker B: What was the tournament call. [00:09:46] Speaker A: What was the old Liberty Club Championship? And old Liberty is, of the three Fred Smith courses, the one that gets played the least because it's in such bad shape. [00:09:54] Speaker B: So since it is in the. [00:09:55] Speaker A: I wasn't gonna play. I was not gonna play. And then my buddy was like, come on, just do it. And I was like, it's in such bad shape. It's so far away. So when you're like, last minute, I signed up and he was like, yeah, I was like, I shouldn't have played. [00:10:07] Speaker B: So if you're a member in Fred Smith, you can play in all three of their club championships, or four. I think there's a fourth one too. [00:10:11] Speaker A: Well, there's three now, but yeah, no, I just, that's how I made a nine. And then after that, like, I seriously, after I hit that third ball and found out that was the hazard, a lot of people would have just said, I'm done, I'm just leaving. Right? But I didn't. I stuck through it. Played phenomenal golf after that. Great shot after great shot after great shot. Birdie, birdie, birdie, birdie, birdie. Almost had a hole in one, like, but. And then the next day it was just so hot and you're so far out of it, you're just pushing, trying to make birds. [00:10:35] Speaker B: Well, you didn't play terrible. I don't think the next day, at least on the card, I think you shot like 81. 81, yeah. So it wasn't. But that first day, I mean, that was. I was impressed with your, your comeback effort from that. I mean, that takes a lot to gut out, you know, that's what you had. [00:10:50] Speaker A: I wasn't gonna quit, but. And there was a guy the next day who didn't show up. He didn't show up the next day because he played terrible. So I'm like, at least I didn't do that. [00:10:56] Speaker B: But I've had those tournaments where I usually. Me, it was the second hole, I didn't. I usually didn't blow up the first hole. For some reason, first tee jitters made me play better. And I remember having. I remember one in particular, the US Junior Amateur qualifier when I was 17. I think it was at the top of my backswing. I remember feeling, as I made that transition, that point of no return, feeling so spaghetti armed that I'm thinking I'm gonna miss the ball. And I hit the most beautiful 270 yard, 1 yard draw right down the pipe. And then I get down there in the fairway, I'm 130 out. I've got a little pitch and wedge and. Same thing. When I make that transition, I'm thinking, well, I just shanked that. I mean, if I even get ball on the, If I get club on ball, that's gonna be a miracle. And I hit it two feet and then the two footer. I thought I missed it based on my takeaway. I felt so bad and it was dead center. But then the second hole, I calmed down a little bit. And I make a nine or something like that. And once you get to that point where it's like okay, I've got to career it from here on out. And I think you said today is, you know, as good a day as any to shoot a career round. [00:11:55] Speaker A: And that's what I tried to do. On the second day I just went for everything and rammed every putt, you know, because I'm like I'm shots off the or 10 shots off the lead. I may as well go for it and have some fun in 106 degree weather. But. [00:12:06] Speaker B: Well, that segues really well to something I was going to talk about a little bit so, you know, accepting outcomes. The last. This is where I can't remember when we recorded last. When we recorded last. I think I had just played my league round and shot 34. I didn't know what I'd finished yet. So you've got the whole week to play your round but you don't find out until Tuesday where you finish because everybody plays at their own pace. So I shot 34. The league at Sullies this year. There's your weekly shout out for Sully's. It's a 10 week. There's a gross and net division but I'm not particularly thrilled now with the way the scoring works. So each week they pay out a low gross and a low net. But for the points you get points based on your gross and points based on your net and it's one combined total. So if I win the gross and finish eighth net I'm going to get 10 points for the gross and I'm going to get one point for participation in the net where if I finish fifth in the gross and win the net I get the points for fifth and the points for the win in the net. So this season I won the first three or either won or tied for the for the win the first three weeks. Then I went through a three week stretch where I just, I got a little cocky probably and didn't prepare as well. And I just, you know, I'm gonna get my nine in real quick. And I didn't. Was working through some swing changes while I was trying to play. Went through a slump. Well then I got caught. I had a big lead and then the lead evaporated. So week seven I'm like alright, I'm getting back down to business. I shoot 34. Think that should be right in the hunt finish second or third. I ended up tying with three people for third place so got some. But about this time, while I've been struggling. There is a guy who has come out of nowhere and he is a four handicap. So he's giving two shots or he's getting two shots. I overachieved in my qualifier, so I'm giving two shots aside. He's gone 30, 34, 36, 34, 33, 32. Last six weeks getting two shots. And at this point I'm saying, okay, he's played eight rounds and five of them are under par. And he's still like, why are we not adjusting his handicap? He shouldn't be getting shots. So while he's. Well, I've been kind of struggling to finish third, fourth and getting no points on the net. He's been finishing first or second gross and second or third, fourth net. He's getting double points. And now he is. This past week we played Sedgefield, which is probably the hardest course we've played as far as at least the distance. And I played great. I fully committed to everything. I went through my routine, I think I made a bogey on two, a birdie on three, and then I birdied the par five. And then I eagled 18 to shoot 33. And I'm like, all right, that's, that's gonna be money. We're gonna win. I think I was down like three points. So that win was good. The win pays 10 points, second place five and everything else drops one point. So I think I'm gonna pick up five points back in my, you know, first or second overall. Get the results? He shot 32, net 30, he wins. He gets a double win. Now he's got a 12 point lead on me with two weeks left and I'm sitting here like you talk about accepting outcomes. I don't accept this. [00:15:17] Speaker A: We have similar thing with the Fred Smith. They have a season long tournament and unless you're winning every single week, you don't have a chance because the net, the net gets points too, right? So like you've got a bunch of 30 handicaps in there who just win everything. [00:15:31] Speaker B: And, and I thought there was a gross division in a net. Like we're going to get points on gross, points on net, and I accepted as a plus something handicap over there that I'm not going to win, I'm not going to touch net. [00:15:41] Speaker A: Sure. [00:15:42] Speaker B: But I didn't realize until recently in the looking at the score, it's like, oh wait, it's combined. You can get up to 20 points per week. And I don't know exactly where I'm at. This guy might have you got a. [00:15:52] Speaker A: Career every single week. Yeah, yeah. [00:15:53] Speaker B: I don't know exactly where I'm at for the, for the year. Me and this guy are probably really close now, but I am either first or second in gross scoring for the year. But I'm already with two weeks left, basically eliminated. Because in order for me to beat him, I'm gonna have to win gross and then get some point and then get more points than him net two weeks in a row, which means I gotta go like 29. 29. [00:16:16] Speaker A: Only thing I would say, and this may help or not, but for me, as far as the accepting outcome part of it, you just have to like decide why you're playing in this and what your goal is. Because like for me with the Fred Smith stuff, it's like, only thing I care about is club championship. Want to win one of those championship flight, you know, beat all the plus handicaps and call it a day. Like, that's what I want. I don't care about the season total, whatever. I know I don't have a chance in that. Right. So my whole focus is just tournament based. Play the best in each tournament and forget the rest. Right? [00:16:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:47] Speaker A: So for you, I mean, you know, you don't have a chance in the gross, but because it's all combined, how do you then reframe it to say either I'm just not going to play in this again next time or how do I just make it to where the win matters more than the big picture? [00:17:01] Speaker B: Well, it's. I was thinking about it before we recorded. I went a little walk and I was just thinking about it. And the correct answer is to do what you did last week. Show up, do your best. I may career it, but you can't force it. That was another point I was gonna make. You can't force a career round. If I could just say, is it part of me? When I was 18, I was like, okay, well, if I got to shoot 29, then I'm gonna go shoot 29. You can't make yourself do that. Go play the best you can. Maybe he stumbles, maybe he has a bad day. Anything can happen. Yeah, just like you said Sunday. I mean, you know, you go out there and shoot 72 or three and see what happens. [00:17:36] Speaker A: See what happens. I mean, the guy who wanted to end up shooting two under total one, that's pretty good. He's a but. And the thing I've realized too is a lot of these guys are former D2, D3 college golfers. Like, they were really good at one point. They're still pretty good. But anyway, the point was, look at some of the tour players. They stumble on day one of a four day tournament and then they go lights out day two and end up winning the whole tournament. [00:18:00] Speaker B: Right. [00:18:00] Speaker A: You can't force it. You just got to show up, do your thing and see what happens. Like Scott Fawcett talks about a lot like it's poker. You just play the odds and see what happens. Yeah, some people just have better hands more often the other because of their skill. Yeah, right. But they, Scotty shuffler could still miss a cut. He could still go out there and shoot a 79. Right. It happens, you know, so well. [00:18:21] Speaker B: And you, you had. At the end of the day, you could hang your hat on the fact that you bounced back from a bad situation. If I can go out and shoot 32, 33 the last two weeks, win the weeks, collect my $25 gift cards for the week, wins and you know, at least. Okay, well, I still showed up and it's still an opportunity to compete. And I do take a little bit of, you know, I'm sitting here bashing the handicap thing. At the end of the day, he's kicked my ass gross the last four or five weeks. So at least he's, he's outplaying me, period. [00:18:45] Speaker A: I do think this handicaps legit. [00:18:46] Speaker B: Well, he's outplaying me gross, period. I mean if he's beating me, he's beating me. I can, I can live with that. I'm almost at a point now where I would, I would feel much better about it if he beats me on the season long gross total. If he beats me gross, then hey. [00:19:00] Speaker A: Should be adjusted for next time anyways. You'd think. [00:19:02] Speaker B: And that happens, you know, but what. [00:19:04] Speaker A: Are you gonna do? Because golf is an individual sport. You can't block him, you can't guard him, you can't shut him down. That's just so you just have to do your thing. Go for it. [00:19:10] Speaker B: The 34 that I shot a couple of weeks ago was a little. It could have been a 30 because that was the one we talked about in the last show where I hit, I hit the ball in the water that I thought the line that I took was perfect. And I just didn't realize the water was that far to carry on that line. That cost me two and I left two putts literally on the lip. I mean, as close as it can get, so. And I only lost by one. Interestingly enough. If I don't hit that ball in the water, get those two shots back I win by one. That five points he got goes to me. That's a 10 point swing. And now I'm down two instead of, you know, so that's what I love and hate. [00:19:46] Speaker A: The guy from the hangover where he's doing all the calculations in his head. The poker stick. That's what's going on here. [00:19:52] Speaker B: Well, and it's funny because we talk about this and it's one of the things that I love about golf. It's the thing that I'm so romantic about. Golf, it's my favorite. It's the best sport in the world because it's so much like life sometimes you do everything that you can and things don't go your way. Sometimes things out of your control just mess. They just don't go right. [00:20:10] Speaker A: You know, you use that for the intro, for the. [00:20:13] Speaker B: Yeah, it definitely is a theme of all of it, because all you can control, how do you respond to it is. Is what matters. And so many times you got to suck it up when you hit that ball in the water that shouldn't have gone in the water, or when that guy beats you that shouldn't shoot 31, or he beats you with a 34 and he shouldn't be getting eight shots or whatever, but you gotta. You just gotta deal with it. And so you learn a lot from it, but it still sucks. You don't have to pretend it doesn't suck, but sometimes that's. That's how it goes. Well, Mike had a good question. Especially here lately, we've had a lot of rain. So you were asking how we prepare for the, for the rain. How do we play in the rain? And we got to get you in here somewhere with 30 minutes in, you hadn't spoken. So chomping away on that gun. But. [00:21:01] Speaker C: So, yeah, I'm in the country club space and. And you know, those, those. Unless the course is closed, they're going to play. [00:21:10] Speaker B: Right. [00:21:10] Speaker C: And so whether we've been dealing with the extreme heat over the last. Over the summer and now we've hit this patch of just downpouring rain. And how do you. Yeah, I'm just curious, like, what does anything change? Does your swing change? You know, like, what are, what are things that you. How do you adjust in, you know, extreme weather? Like the rain now. [00:21:35] Speaker B: So I'm gonna let you take that one because what changes? There's a lot that changes. A lot of variables that the most. [00:21:41] Speaker A: Important thing is bringing enough towels to keep your butts dry, your hands dry. Yeah. Like, seriously, like, people overlook that they bring their one towel and that's it. But literally, if you can't keep the club dry, the grip dry, and your hands dry, you're not playing golf at that point. You're just holding on for dear life. Packing rain gloves, packing rain gear so your feet don't get soaking wet. You know, your body's not miserable and you're shivering. It's. It's the simple thing. It's just the basic environmental things. But also, I like playing when it's really soaking wet, especially because my subject was gonna be, we got match play this weekend. Me and my buddy Joe are playing against two other guys in round two of the President's cup match play. And I would love it if the course is soaking wet because it exposes bad ball striking. If you don't take ball first contact with your irons, you're hitting fat, you're laying sod over it, and you're struggling for the entire round. Right? That's where the pros are so good is that's not a factor for them. They're taking ball first contact. When you're playing at our level, it's like, hey, let me get those. Those higher hand. We're playing against a scratch guy and I think a five. So it's going to be a really good match, hopefully. But if we were playing against a 20 and a 15, I'm like, all day, give me the wet conditions because they're going to fat it and lay sod over it every single time or nine times out of ten. But yeah, no, it's. It's just like playing the stream in the extreme heat. You just got to have the right preparation, Your electrolyte drinks on the heat, your fans, your cool water, towels, whatever. In the wet, you got to be prepared. Rain gloves and extra towels and extra clothing, even uncomfortable, right? [00:23:07] Speaker B: Yep. [00:23:07] Speaker A: You might even pack another pair of shoes and keep them. If you're playing in a golf cart, keep them under that canopy thing and another pair of socks because, like, how many people we played with this guy? Oh, my gosh, he was terrible. He got so miserable because his feet were soaking wet one time, and he's just letting every. [00:23:23] Speaker B: I got blisters, I got blah, blah, blah, blah. [00:23:25] Speaker A: We're like, shut up, you baby. You're 50. Like, I don't want to hear it. You know, like, go home. But something as simple as a new pair of shoes and socks completely change your experience, especially if you don't have leather that keeps the water out. You know what I mean? [00:23:38] Speaker B: Yeah. I was Gonna add to it. There's. That's all the physical preparation and there's a lot of that. And there's also variables to. I don't know how I want you to chime in on this, but I remember seeing a clip of Phil Mickelson talking about all the things that carry it, the clip with him on Ferrity. And he talks about the dampness on the club face and the golf ball changes the friction increases the spin rate, takes speed off of it. I've always hit the ball a little bit shorter in the rain. Never necessarily knew why. I didn't think the rain itself was slowing it down. But I mean, it doesn't seem to. [00:24:13] Speaker A: Go as far as. [00:24:14] Speaker B: But I remember a tournament. So my senior year in high school, our season long, the player of the year just was the lowest scoring average for the nine. For the nine matches we had. So we had one match left. I was down one shot. And I remember the way the scoring worked. They kicked out your worst score. So I had to play a pretty good round to catch this guy because he didn't really have a bat. If he shot over like 38, it was going to get kicked out anyway. So I had to play a pretty good round to catch the guy in front of me. And it's pouring rain. The whole day at school it's pouring rain. And I'm thinking, we're not going to play. And coach calls and says, no, we're playing. And I remember thinking, this sucks. I mean, there's no way I'm going to be able to shoot a decent round here. But one of the things that I did and we ended up. It didn't end up getting called, thank goodness. But one of the things that I ended up doing that day when I got home, the match didn't start right away. So I had some time and I went home and I literally spent some time standing outside in the rain in my. In just like gym shorts or whatever. And I just stood outside and just like, I need to get comfortable being. Because it's not comfortable to be wet. [00:25:15] Speaker A: You know, I mean, unless you intend to be wet. Like a swimming pool. [00:25:18] Speaker B: Yeah, a swimming pool or a shower is one thing, but when. When I've got clothes on and I was on a walk the other night and I didn't check the radar, so I got trapped, you know, a mile away from the house and it's pouring rain and the entire walk back was just miserable because I'm soaking wet. I have to remind myself it's just water. You Know, I mean, it. It's not. It may not be comfortable, but it's. It's just water. It keeps it. We need it for life. It's okay. It's just making my clothes a little st. But on a golf course, it doesn't feel good. But getting comfortable, being uncomfortable, just understanding this is a variable we're going to have today. And I'm going to spend a little bit of time outside getting wet ahead of time. You talked about rain gloves. One of the things a lot of people don't realize about rain gloves is they don't really work that well if they're not wet. So if you know you're going to get the rain gloves out today, you need to get those things good and soaked before you tee off or very quickly after you get to the golf course. So that when you do need them, they're good and tacky because they're a little slick until they get. Get wet. So there's. There's a mental side of preparing for the rain. I think if you're trying to play competitively, at least if it's recreational, I have a very simple way to prepare. Don't play if you don't have to play then. But if you're at the same time as a competitive player, you do need to play when it's nasty sometimes. Because sometimes you're going to be in tournaments where that happens. [00:26:32] Speaker A: Yeah. No. And it goes back to the fact of, like, whether you're recreational playing or your competitive playing and just accepting this is what it is today. It's a new challenge. It's a new thing to learn. It's a new thing. Kind of like with the whole thing with my first tee shot, pulling left, didn't know if it was out of bounds or hazard. That's now an experience I have that I can draw on in the future. To be like, well, no, wait, maybe I should go check out and drive down there and figure out first versus just saying I'm gonna hit a provisional ball. But I didn't have any memory bank to draw from. Like, how my brain reacts, how my body feels in that situation. To be like, no, dummy. Remember what happened last time? Let's not do that. You have to make mistakes in order to learn. You can't do it any other way sometimes. Yeah, right. You can't be. You can't know how you're gonna react in a situation until you're put into the situation. There's all the reading and the theory and the books. That's that and the Other. But they, that's why, like, they used to say that, like, tour players didn't start winning and peak until they were in their 30s, late 30s even, because they didn't have enough reps, enough experiences, enough. In golf, there's so many scenarios you get yourself in that you've not seen yet, right. Mentally, physically, emotionally, whatever. So it's not until they get to that where they've got, oh, yeah, I got this. I've been here before. Right. When you're fresh faced, pimpled and green and green can come at any phase of life because you've just not been there yet. Yeah, it's not an age thing necessarily. It's an experience thing. [00:27:50] Speaker B: When those bad things happen, though, one of the things that's, I think helpful is remembering that it's an experience. Right. Because it's, it can, it can give you a. It's hard to get there, but you can start to appreciate them a little bit. [00:28:02] Speaker A: Okay. [00:28:03] Speaker B: That's a lesson. I learned something today I didn't know I needed to learn, but next time I will know to do that. You know, you could have gotten, I was wondering about that when you said that, could you have gotten to the golf course a little earlier and, and gotten on a cart and ridden down there so it didn't affect, like, pace of play or anything. Ride down, take a look at the first tee. [00:28:19] Speaker A: I definitely could have. And yeah, probably, but I think probably. [00:28:21] Speaker B: Wouldn'T have thought to do it because you had never. [00:28:23] Speaker A: Yeah, well. And had I played the course a few more times, I would have known. It's just, that's just I didn't. Hadn't gotten out there. Like I said, I wasn't intending to play in the tournament anyways and just last minute, so whatever. But I was thinking too, that, like, the reason I play in a lot of tournaments now, one is I want to be competitive with myself and see what I can do. But two, it also makes me a better coach because I have the experiences to draw from to explain and help someone else their situation. [00:28:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:47] Speaker A: Like, I have one of my favorite students of all time, Noah Johnson, he made a nine in the Carolinas cup last year on his last hola tournament. Made a nine on a fairly easy par five. He comes up, hey, hey, Dr. Rosilli. So how'd you finish, buddy? He's like, well, well, I made a nine. I said, how the hell did you make a nine? He was like, well, let me tell you about it. And so we rode the car, we talked about it. So on My way home from the golf tournament, I literally just took a photo of myself because I have a photo of me and him with us both holding up nine. And so I sent him this, and he was like, don't tell me, are you part of the illustrious nine club now? I was like, yes, sir, I'm part of the illustrious. But, like, we had that bonding moment. Now I can, like, understand what it's like. Him, except for mine, came on the other end of the bookend, the very front. His came at the last hole. Whatever. We were so far out of that tournament didn't matter. Right? But they know it's life. You gain the experiences, you earn the marks on your shoulders or whatever, and you get to share it with other people and help them, hopefully, to do better. But there's no teacher, like, experience at all. [00:29:44] Speaker B: So I tried to write out a practice plan a couple of weeks ago from the last show. You talked about writing out a practice plan ahead of time. And I kind of quickly ditched that because I started to have other reasons for. Okay, I want to be. I want to have some flexibility, too, in the way I approach things, but not too much. But I am trying to get a handle on the balance between technical work and. I've gotten to the point. We talked about this a little bit earlier when we were recording the videos, where I've accepted and realized that, I don't know, 90% of my success comes more from rhythm than it does technical expert, technical execution. My technique is not flawless. I've got some things I need to work on. So there's a part of my practice that is working on the technique, and I do get incremental improvement from doing that. But if I'm not careful, you know, I remember saying a couple weeks ago I was gonna work on my takeaway, and I've worked on my takeaway. My takeaway is a lot better now than it was at that time. But there's a big part of it that says, okay, I want to nail down the technical side until my takeaway is perfect, and then I'll go back to working on using it. Right. But it doesn't need to be a month of technique and then a month of rhythm. It's a little bit of both all the time. And no one says you can't work on your rhythm while you're working on your technique. On your technique. [00:31:07] Speaker A: You don't do all arms for a month every single day. It's not going to work. [00:31:10] Speaker B: So I'm trying to find that balance of, okay, there's I know that my body rotation is. I've got these two flaws right. I've got one thing I'm doing wrong with the body, and one is with my arms, and one's causing the other, and one's requiring the other. And as I fix one, I'm going to have. It's going to expose. We talked about this earlier. I'm rotating better now, but I'm still extending that right arm, and now I'm shanking it. So fixing one problem can make you hit it worse. And if I just fix the arm and not fix the body, I'd have a different mission. So there does need to be a technical part of it. But at the same time, when it's time for me to go play nine holes, that needs to be out the window, and I need to back to just focus and rhythm. But I feel like I need to be spending most of my time working on just hitting golf shots. Just hitting golf shots with whatever's comfortable for me with a little technical work mixed in. But I don't feel like my technique's gonna get much better if I don't spend more time on the technique. So how do you balance that stuff? How much do you work on the mechanics of Keep my elbow in, rotate properly, release versus Just depends on the player. [00:32:13] Speaker C: When you. I mean, just watching you guys earlier, like my eyes glazed over, you guys. [00:32:19] Speaker B: Start throwing out numbers, and y' all are. I mean, y' all are talking. I perk up when I hear that. Yeah, numbers are what resonates with me. Yeah, you know, 2400 versus 2600 spin rate. What's the difference? And how do I. How do I get this 200rpms less spin? I mean, you know, and as the. [00:32:35] Speaker C: Golf instructor, you have to save the player from himself sometimes 100%. And so you recognize that and like, hey, let's stay on task. And y' all look like you made some. You figured it out. But my guess is depends on the athlete, depends on the golfer. [00:32:54] Speaker A: I give this example in class all the time. It's Bryson versus Bubba. And I showed two different clips of Bryson December talking about, well, I line up the golf ball specifically so that the putter contacts the edge of the dimple point, right? And they're this part of the dimple whatever, so that it rolls straight every single time. Because if you contact the edge of the dimple, then it's gonna technically hit it offline by a variable of half a degree every single time. You don't always. So, like, that's super Technical. And he's looking at barometric pressure and he's looking at altitude and all this other. They got Bubba Watson, that shot, he hit it to one of the Masters. That left hook. He hit the left hook out of the trees and he's like, well, just kind of like. I don't know, I just, I knew. [00:33:29] Speaker B: I had to hook it a lot. [00:33:30] Speaker A: And so I just closed my stance a little bit and really made sure I closed the club face through impact and it worked out. [00:33:36] Speaker B: One of the best shots in golf. [00:33:37] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. So he's smarter than he lets on. But there's. I call it Bryson versus Bubba. You got to know who you're working with, what resonates with them, what's actually going to help them, what's not going to help them. And sometimes the Bryson mindset is great to get them to understand something, but then to actually perform it, you need to get rid of it. Right. [00:33:54] Speaker B: My own golf game, that's where I was going to. I had that as a follow up question because in my own golf game, I am, without a doubt. I think y' all both know this about me, a hyper analytic, right? I love to analyze every nth degree of every data point. And the more I do that, the worse I play golf. I feel like for me to play good golf, even though I might be wired like Bryson, I need to think more like Bubba. But Bryson is certainly an extreme example of me being overly analytical about every single thing. I mean, there was a point in time where basically if you were to model out what I wanted to do with my golf game five years earlier, that was basically what Bryson ended up doing. Beefing up, being hyper analytical, that's basically the way I saw myself becoming a successful golfer. But when I tried to do that, I went to pieces. But when he does that, he becomes best player in the world or one of the best players in the world. [00:34:46] Speaker A: Sure. [00:34:47] Speaker B: So how do you, as a teacher, or for the listeners who may be teaching themselves, or maybe even if you are, even if you have a coach, unless you're playing on TV, 95% of your practice time, your coach is not with you. Right. Unless you've got somebody that's with you all the time. So when you're working with a student or when you're your own coach, when you're by yourself, how do you find that balance or know what that balance is? Okay, I'm analytical, so I need to be more like Bubba. Or I'm analytical, so I need to lean into that and do more like Bryson. How do you know that? [00:35:17] Speaker A: Well, again, I think it goes back to what? At the end of the day, performance is what matters, right? How do you perform under pressure? How do you perform when it actually matters? Some people need to really understand something to the minute detail. And I was thinking about this again, we talked all the way back in episode one that we need to train like we're athletes and golf is no different. So again, with a basketball coach, you have a practice plan. We're going to work technique, dribbling, shooting, layoffs at the beginning. Then we're going to go into scenario based zone versus man, what are we gonna run this week, whatever. And then we're just gonna play. That's right, we're scrimmage, right, we're gonna play. So I don't think golf practice has to be any different. But when I'm teaching someone, I, I teach to the comprehension level that they have. If they are a top tier, they're gonna be a PGA professional. They need to know the ins and outs. I'm talking data, I'm talking science, I'm talking analytics with them. But when it comes time to actually how do we do it? Then we go much more simple. If I'm talking to a junior, I'm still going to teach them the concepts, but I'm going to do it with an airplane analogy or something else. Right. Like a rope swing or a little pendulum clock, something like that. You have to know how to get the information across that makes sense to the player and then how are they actually going to tangibly use it? Right. So the thing that I find is like I told you all a while back, I had a student who was hyper analytical and he was going through every shot, overthinking everything on the golf course. And I did a playing lesson with him and again to get him out of his head, I just gave him a shot clock. And that worked for him. He started playing lights out golf because he was able to get out of his head. So it just depends on who you are, what works well for you. That's impossible to say unless you talk to someone and get to work with them. Right. But everybody has to find that balance between, I understand, it's like you and it's like nothing else. You over train, you over prepare, you learn all the skill, the scales in music, you learn the theory behind the music so that when it comes time to play that basic power chord progression, it's easy. Yeah, I know what I'm doing. Yeah, right. Some people might really need to learn. Apex of the line of the putt and vectors and capture speed and this and the other such that when they've understood all that, when it says play it two balls out, they can trust it because it makes sense to them. Yeah, the math works two balls out, see? Right. But it makes sense because they can trust it because the science is there and they've understood the science. Yeah, but not everybody's that way. Yeah, there is no like, okay, if you're a type A or a whatever type person, this is the path for you. That really is where the one on one coaching and logic and reason comes in with each individual person. But I don't think anybody plays their best when they're hyper analyzing technically every single shot. Again, think about Steph Curry flowing through traffic and shooting a floater or a fade away jumper. He was like, what's my wrist position at the top of my jump? Like he's not going to. No way he's gonna make that shot. [00:38:02] Speaker B: Yeah, well. And it's funny hitting balls, putting any of these things. I can remember when I was in college, one day I was out on the putting green, I was hitting eight foot putts or something and somebody called me and I picked up the phone and I stood there and talked on the phone with my left hand and putted with my right hand for 20 minutes and did. I mean, I had to have had like a 90% make rate from 8ft. [00:38:25] Speaker A: I love. [00:38:25] Speaker B: So I was like, how the hell does this happen? I mean I'm just sitting here talking on the phone, I'm not. And then a lot of times I've gone through spells where I don't even really bother reading the PUP very much. I mean, I'll stand, I'll squat down behind it, I'll kind of get an idea and then it's instinct. Right. And then I've had. But you can go so far with that. Right. And I've gone. I take everything too far. Right. That's part, that's where the analytic comes in. Once I find out that this rhythm, you know, instinct thing works, what am I going to do? I'm not going to instinct on everything. Right. And you can't do that either. But I do think for me in particular, it's probably, I don't know, like an 8020 type balance. I need to spend most of my time being instinctive with a little bit of technique sprinkled in. Like I said at the beginning, it's more flow state. [00:39:05] Speaker A: Yeah. Because you've got to the flow state part of things. I'VE done the same thing with the putting. There's days ago, the putting green where I'm like, I have this technique I do because I'm not very good at like imagery or visualization where I'll take, I'll just look at the putt and I'm like, okay, I'll draw a line back from the hole to the ball, like a curve like this. Then I just walk in, make everything from distance, doesn't matter where it is. Right. And then I can sit there, line the ball up and do all this specific stuff and not make anything. So it is about the flow state, I think. But again, if you. I think everybody has to understand what they do in their own way so that they can get into the flow state. Like you don't just get into the flow state as a musician if you haven't practiced the, the scales and you haven't understood how to use your instrument. [00:39:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:49] Speaker A: The only reason they get into flow state is because they do know it at such a deep level. They understand it so that. Then again, just go into autopilot. Yeah, that makes sense. [00:39:56] Speaker B: It does, yeah. You've got to train yourself to be able to. I was thinking about this this week. Like my golf swing. If I want to sit down and analyze the video of it, it's probably the best looking that it's been. It's not perfect, but it is better than it was five years ago, five months ago. And I was thinking about it the other day, like one of the things that I need to spend. The reason I need to spend more time trusting it. It's like we can use a girl analogy here. Okay. In a good relationship, you're not going to be stalking the girl to see what they're doing. You're not going to be questioning them every single time they come home five minutes late. You should trust that person. However, if you're with a certain type of person, which I've been with before, it's kind of justified to have some questions. And you kind of do. Yeah, you should trust them. But they've demonstrated reasons not to. So maybe there's a, there's a, there's a rationalization for your not trust. That was me on my golf swing for a long time. No, I didn't trust it because once in a while I look at it on video and I'd say, this is not a dependable swing. Of course I can't trust it. I mean, I'm not going to let my 5 year old drive my car. I know I can hold On. [00:41:03] Speaker A: I'm going to. I'm going to challenge you on this a little bit. I hear your point. Your point is well taken. But if I have an old hooptie, right? Vehicle. [00:41:12] Speaker B: You talking about cars? [00:41:13] Speaker A: Cars, yeah. But if I have an old hooptie vehicle. But I know that every time I go out there and turn that thing on, it starts up and it gets me point A to point B. I do my oil changes, my brake maintenance is in there, never let me down. I could also have a freaking Ferrari million dollar car that is the most finicky piece of crap you've ever driven in your life because it always requires maintenance, always requires specific tuning, calibration. Right? [00:41:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:41:38] Speaker A: I'd rather have a fleet of Toyota Corollas if I'm an employer. I used to like a human resource, athletic administration type class. I'm like, do you want a roster under your leadership of Toyota Corollas or a bunch of Ferraris who are just broken down here, expensive to maintain all this, that and the other. They're like, probably the Corollas. I'm like, that's right. It's like the San Antonio spurs of the early 2000s. Right. [00:42:03] Speaker C: Athletes are like that. [00:42:04] Speaker A: Yeah. It's like you got a good unit that works together, balances off of each other. Everybody shows up to work, reliable, does their job. You can go a long ways or you can do like the big three tried to do Miami and put together this superstar squad and not five, not six, not seven championships and be all flash and bravado and get your teeth kicked in. [00:42:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:42:22] Speaker A: You know, now, Grant, they had success, but it's not always the best strategy. [00:42:27] Speaker B: Right. And I think for me, what I'm realizing a little bit more is that when I had a Corolla, I was trying to turn it into a Ferrari. I spent most of my career, my golf life trying to be. [00:42:36] Speaker A: Trying to make it shiny. You're trying to put a body kit on, you know, Toyota Corolla to make it look like a Ferrari when the Corolla was sufficient. [00:42:45] Speaker B: But now for the first time, I can look at my swing and realize this is a pretty reliable. Like, it's got some. Some things in it, but it's pretty reliable. If I would get out of its way now, I trust it, but that's also kind of making me. Okay, well, then you need to practice trusting it. Because I've never trusted it. I've never. Just when it was. When it. I could get in that zone once in a while when I could trust it. But for the most Part I knew what, how bad it was. And. And even at that time, people would tell me my swing wasn't bad. I just needed to learn to trust a little bit more. But even, you know, now I feel like more fundamentally sound. But I still am. You have to. It's like anything else in golf. You've got to train it. There's a chapter in. [00:43:23] Speaker A: Well, no, you need that. You need the reps to prove that it's reliable. [00:43:25] Speaker B: Well, there's a chapter in golf is not a game of perfect. Train it then. Trust it is the title of it. [00:43:32] Speaker A: Okay. [00:43:32] Speaker B: Well, you also, I think, have to train yourself to trust it. [00:43:38] Speaker A: Sure. [00:43:38] Speaker B: It doesn't just come. [00:43:39] Speaker A: That's where the mental automatically comes in. [00:43:41] Speaker B: Right. [00:43:41] Speaker A: That's where the mental part of it comes in. It's like the elephant and the mouse. Right. Like the elephant doesn't realize its size and is afraid of a mouse. [00:43:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:43:49] Speaker A: You know, it doesn't trust. It doesn't trust who it is or what it's capable of. Yeah, right. Same thing with golf. You could sit down the range and pound balls all day every day. Dead straight curve, right, left, whatever you want. But if you don't trust it. [00:44:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:44:02] Speaker A: Cool. [00:44:03] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, did you, when you were playing the tournament last week, do you ever have mechanical thoughts when you're on the golf course? Like you're trying not to, I'm sure in a tournament. But are you still thinking? Are you still letting some mechanical thoughts creep in a little bit? [00:44:16] Speaker A: No, the only, the only place that would happen would be in the analyze phase. Right. We talked about assess, analyze, accept. That post shot routine. That'd be the only place I'd let it happen, is right there, you know, because I'm like, oh, shoot, I over pulled that one. Well, okay, let's go back and figure out. Oh, yeah, I slowed my rotation down, but I can only do that because I understand what I'm doing and I understand the stuff. [00:44:35] Speaker B: But you're never doing that in the pre shot phase. There's not a part of your pre shot routine where you see guys on TV even rehearsing the takeaway. [00:44:41] Speaker A: No, you can do that. That's fine. [00:44:42] Speaker B: That can be a part of the. [00:44:43] Speaker A: Pre shot, but you have to then disassociate and let it go. [00:44:46] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:44:47] Speaker A: Yep. [00:44:48] Speaker B: So, Mike, I think I said last time I was committing to it. Now the kids start back to school next week. Yeah. Getting back in the gym. I have the time back. Hey, so Wake county, baby. So I'll be trying to get back to the gym a little bit next week. And I've got sort of an idea what I want to do in the gym. One of the hang ups that I do have is that I know no matter what I try to do that it's going to affect my body, it's going to affect the performance of, you know, if I go do deadlifts on Monday, it's going to have an effect on the way I hit a golf ball on Tuesday. If I do, you know, kettle carries on Tuesday, it's going to have an effect on the way I hit the ball Wednesday. And not only that, but then I'm still going to have some lasting effects from the deadlifts I did on Monday. So I'm almost trying to think through, like, what's my practice schedule going to look like when I inject that? And that's part of the reason also, I'm a little bit hesitant to put together a full practice schedule because I can put together a schedule that says I'm going to do speed day on Wednesday when I show up to Soly's and I'm just physically, you know, just I don't have it today. I can tell I'm just tired or whatever. I'm not going to want to do speed day that day. So I have to have some flexibility there. So when you're working with someone or for anyone else who is starting a workout, how much can you, how much can you do in the workout itself to prevent the effects of it versus and how much can you prepare for that? Is it possible for somebody to come in and work out with you, say, on a Monday, and you can tell them pretty closely what they're going to feel like the next day and the next day. Or do you have to kind of understand, hey, this is an art, not a science, and we don't know exactly how you're going to feel or how to adapt to it. You seem to be more reactive to. You're not trying to force the outcome. You're taking what has happened and reacting to it. But is there anything you can do when you're working out to can you prepare for how it's going to make you feel? [00:46:39] Speaker C: Well, so my first thought is recovery. [00:46:42] Speaker B: And. [00:46:44] Speaker C: You know, once the workout's done, so the recovery starts, whether that's sleep, hydration, supplementation after the workout, you know, protein powder. So all that, all that factors into how you're going to feel the next day if you're not getting enough sleep, you know, if you're staying up late, if you're not rehydrating if you're not getting enough protein or if you're eating crappy. I guess, I guess I'm talking more about like guys get. I guess if you're like, am I gonna be sore, am I gonna be tired? Guys get hurt. Pros get hurt. You know, I, I pulled something in my back shampooing my hair Monday morning. [00:47:38] Speaker B: Welcome to 55:05. Making the turn that nine's different than. [00:47:43] Speaker C: The front was because realized what exacerbated it was I had the setting, I vacuumed the house on Sunday and I had the setting turned too deep on the thick carpets. [00:47:56] Speaker B: I've assessed the assessment phase. Right. [00:47:58] Speaker A: I'm figuring the assessment isn't got hurt. Now he's analyzing. Oh, that's right. That's right. [00:48:03] Speaker B: Exactly. I want to figure out because I'm. [00:48:04] Speaker C: Like, this is a new feeling I haven't felt before. [00:48:07] Speaker B: That's the exception. [00:48:07] Speaker C: What am I doing that's making me feel this way? Oh yeah. I vacuumed for the first time in two weeks. Shout out to keeping the house clean. [00:48:16] Speaker A: There you go. Should have had those 30 year olds vacuum instead of you. [00:48:20] Speaker C: No, you gotta. Don't set the, don't set the vacuum setting too low. [00:48:24] Speaker B: So you talk about recovery starts after. There's no telling how you're gonna feel. [00:48:28] Speaker A: There's no telling and there's no telling if you're gonna get hurt or not. Like I said, like there's Olympians who train their entire careers for this one nine second sprint they're gonna do and they blow their hammy on the first push. [00:48:40] Speaker B: Well, and you can't. The thing about it is I don't want to. I'm gonna try when I'm working out to, to keep in mind that this is still what I would call like an in season. I'm still trying to actively work on my golf game so I don't want to debilitate myself. But I'm so in it. [00:48:56] Speaker C: Get out quick. So that would be my thing. Leave your phone in the car, get in and get out. Because the more you linger, the more distractions you're going to have and the longer your body's not prepared to work out for an hour. [00:49:12] Speaker B: As a general rule of thumb, I'm not, I'm not necessarily trying to tee this up to say like give me a free training lesson. But with someone who's not been in the gym for five years going to the gym for the first time, the extent of my workouts have been hitting golf balls, going on Three mile walks and that's about it. So what's an appropriate. I'm thinking an hour if I don't overdo it. Like, if I'm. If I'm spending 20 minutes lifting 20 minutes kind of doing like explosive stuff, and then 20 minutes of sort of active recovery, stretching and mobility type stuff at the end of the session. It's really only 40 minutes of real work. Is that too much for a first time out? Because I don't want to debilitate myself, but I do understand I'm probably gonna be a little sore. That's okay. [00:49:58] Speaker A: But I'll tell you how I've been doing it with my own workouts and I have not been crazy sore. Let's say I have a day where I have. I'm gonna do three sets of this, eight to 12 reps, four sets of this. If I'm getting to that point towards the middle or the other workout, and I'm just like, I'm just not feeling it. Like, I'm not gonna over push just because I have to get that fourth set. Three is fine. There's some studies out there that show that like the actual benefit after that first hard rep, because that's when you're at your strongest and you can do the most to failure. Or yes, you're still gonna gain, but it's not like. It's kinda like the 75 versus 100% effort, marginal gains. Yeah, right. Unless you're training for endurance or something like that. Right. But just listening to your body and not having the ego be like, no, I gotta do it, I gotta do it. Right? Like, just be like, maybe today, two sets is what I got. [00:50:48] Speaker B: So you can get 80% of the gains and still have the ability to work on your golf game the next day instead of taking that extra 10% of gain out. [00:50:55] Speaker A: At our age and at where we're at in life, moving with weight is phenomenal, you know, compared to 90 the population. So as long as you're doing something consistently, you are leaps and bounds over what most people our age are doing. Not saying that's right or wrong. It's just. And again, this, I'm preaching the choir here of don't go back and look at yourself 10 years ago and be like, well, I could still do. No, you got to build up to that. And just, I think, I think the mental pat on the back of like, I did something today versus nothing. That's huge. Right? Like, that's, that's so sad where we're at as Americans, right? Like Oh, I just did something rather than. But it's facts. [00:51:32] Speaker B: Well, it's better than not doing it. I mean, because part of my. When I have tried to get into working out again, it's like you do it and then you feel like crap and then you don't want to go again the next day. There is a. [00:51:43] Speaker C: Earlier. I have a tendency to overdo it. [00:51:45] Speaker A: Yeah. You said on the first podcast, hey, man, you're doing something. That's good. [00:51:50] Speaker B: You said on the first podcast for me, don't go to the gym for an hour. So I was like, okay, I'm gonna go for walks for a month and then I'll go to the gym for an hour. But this is still a quarter. [00:51:58] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:51:58] Speaker B: Five. Yeah. Yeah. [00:51:59] Speaker C: So tell me again how you. Tell me how you, you set up your workout again. Because I want to challenge you on how you're setting it up. [00:52:07] Speaker B: So you want to like, tell you what my workouts are? Yeah, just. So my plan is this. My plan is Mondays and Thursdays, just when you're in the gym. [00:52:14] Speaker C: Tell me from when you start to when you finish. Tell me what you, what you want to do. [00:52:19] Speaker B: So when I want to spend the first 20 minutes or so working on strength and both of the strength things that I want to do are the. Like we talked about before, doing things that will enhance grip strength and make grip the limiting factor. So squatting or I'm sorry, deadlifting on Mondays and Wednesdays and Thursdays. Mondays and Thursdays and then on Tuesdays and Fridays doing kettle carries. So it's kind of two different types of one's more of an endurance with the grip, with the carries, where with the deadlift, it's more short duration lifts. And then Wednesday is going to be an act, like a, just a mobility day. Not doing any heavy lifting on Wednesdays. Okay. And then I'm also wanting to incorporate in some speed training with some resistance bands that I've got. [00:53:04] Speaker C: Yeah. So I think what I heard earlier is when you, you broke all that down, that was in one session. Strength speed. And then I want to finish with mobility stability. I'm like, to me, that's when I hear guys say they go to the range, they hit a couple softy balls, then they get. They're doing driver and like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna chip and putt to finish. And like, if you wait to do your stability mobility stuff at the end, it's gonna be like people that say, I'm gonna go practice my putting. You're not gonna. So I Would say flip that. [00:53:36] Speaker B: Yeah, it's like a sample for me. [00:53:37] Speaker C: Would be mobility at the beginning. [00:53:40] Speaker B: So, yeah, you're right. [00:53:41] Speaker C: Do your agility, power and just go home. Because that's like saying, I'm going to stretch when I'm done. No, you're not. [00:53:48] Speaker A: You're not. [00:53:48] Speaker C: Do all that. Get your good warm up in at the beginning. Because when you're done and you're tired, you're going to want to get out of there. [00:53:55] Speaker B: So that's a good, good point. So, yeah, that was the way I was going to do it was do the deadlifting first while I'm the freshest, and then do like a box jumps type thing and then end with stretching mobility. So you're. So I definitely hear you on the mobility first, but should I do the deadlifting second or should I do the box jumps? I don't want to debilitate myself. [00:54:15] Speaker A: For the first of all, you should only do the box chips like once a week. [00:54:19] Speaker B: Okay. [00:54:19] Speaker A: I would not do that every single day. [00:54:21] Speaker B: I wouldn't do it every day. [00:54:22] Speaker A: Your nervous system is going to be destroyed and it's very high impact and all that stuff. So again, I don't think you need more than really one day we get the plyo explosive stuff. [00:54:33] Speaker B: And would you include. [00:54:35] Speaker A: That's just my perspective. You tell me what you think that. [00:54:37] Speaker C: Goes back to get in, get out. [00:54:39] Speaker B: What about like medicine ball slams? Is that another thing? Like anything that's more power, short duration, high explosiveness. Is that anything like that? Just do once a week. [00:54:47] Speaker A: You're not putting pressure on your joints and your tendons, but the impact of landing and back up. [00:54:54] Speaker C: Yeah, I would say get a good two weeks to a month in before you start doing high impact plyometrics, because that's the quickest way to blow stuff out. Get a good habit of getting into the gym and getting your cardio in. Get your stability mobility, bang out your strength stuff. And yeah, do your once a week, like, yeah, plyo, but get in, get out. Yeah, because you, you have to start preparing your body for, you know, it's like, yeah, the weekend warrior. I'm gonna go play. Like, I'm so thankful I haven't pulled anything. I've been going out and playing tennis, you know, on the weekends. [00:55:41] Speaker A: Yeah, that's what he's. The point he's making, right, Is like. [00:55:43] Speaker C: My body's not used to stopping and starting. [00:55:46] Speaker A: Correct. You need the foundation before you do the fancy sexy stuff because that's like putting the siding on a house that has no frame, you know, has no foundation. And then the other thing, too. You hit the ball plenty freaking far. You don't need any more power, explosive, like, you don't need to be out there box jumping at 40. You'll be 40 soon, right? [00:56:03] Speaker B: Yes. [00:56:04] Speaker A: Yeah. You don't need to be doing box jumps. [00:56:06] Speaker C: There's a risk and a reward. [00:56:08] Speaker A: Correct. To gain what, two more miles an hour of clubhead speed? [00:56:11] Speaker B: That's five extra yards. [00:56:14] Speaker A: Just get a fitting, get a new driver. [00:56:16] Speaker B: Yeah. Really? [00:56:17] Speaker A: I love it. [00:56:18] Speaker B: So then on the recovery side, though, you said something earlier that is a good point, that the recovery starts when the workout ends. And I think a lot of times I don't think of it necessarily that way, but the rest of that day is going to play a big factor in how I feel the next day. And it's not just, what am I going to do the next day, but getting the protein powder, getting the. You know, for me, I love hot baths. Kind of help to relax the muscles. I do that at night a lot. [00:56:41] Speaker C: Shout out to hot baths. [00:56:42] Speaker A: I just got an image telling you, man. [00:56:44] Speaker B: Telling you, man, y' all can knock it. [00:56:45] Speaker A: Garrett with a bubble bath and a nice Pinot Grigio and just a Merlot, man. [00:56:49] Speaker B: Merlot and don't knock it. And you're not far off with this. It's not bubbles, though. I put Epsom salts in there, and I chill there for about 35, 40 minutes with a nice big glass of red wine. [00:57:00] Speaker A: It's. [00:57:01] Speaker B: It's. It's very peaceful. I enjoy it, but I do it even when I don't need to. [00:57:07] Speaker A: But. [00:57:08] Speaker B: But the. The recovery part of it, I mean, that's. I think that gets neglected by a lot. But when I'm talking about how am I gonna feel the rest of the week? It sounds to me like part of what you're saying is if. If I want to still be able to hit the golf ball the rest of the week, first of all, don't kill myself. And second of all, start the recovery as soon as the workout's over. It's not just the next day. [00:57:24] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, that's what I'm thinking. Yeah. I'm thinking, okay, when's the last time I ate? How long do I have to get protein in me? For me, I. I tell my clients that 15 to 45 minutes. People way smarter than me. I've done studies on that. Okay, what's the best time right immediately after to two hours after in that sweet spot. [00:57:46] Speaker B: What about protein before? Because I've heard that Too. Like our pre workout is it depends. [00:57:52] Speaker C: On if you're trying to lose weight. [00:57:55] Speaker B: For now, lose weight, but I want to gain muscle while I do it. [00:57:58] Speaker A: This guy, this guy and broscience. [00:58:05] Speaker B: Just being real. I said I'm the certified three handicap head case. [00:58:09] Speaker C: This stuff's not gonna make episode three or four. But yeah, if you want to start losing weight, go in fasting. So don't eat anything before you go work out unless you're working out late morning, early afternoon. But if you're, if it's before 10am Go fasting, you're not going to feel very good because you're not going to have anything energy to pull from unless you're drinking caffeine or something with sugar in it. But yeah, you know, it's just that old, old fashioned calories in, calories out. [00:58:41] Speaker A: You can't build a house if you don't have materials. Right. So to build the muscle you need the extra materials to build from. So that's why I laughed. But you can't really, you can't really do both at the same time to maximize one or the other. And that's why you look at bodybuilders for example, they build up like crazy. [00:58:59] Speaker C: They are huge, consuming massive amounts of. [00:59:02] Speaker A: Protein calories because their body needs those bricks, those wood, those screws to build the muscle. And then right before competition they cut like crazy, but they're not building anything. They actually lose muscle mass while they're cutting. So they over train so that they can then cut and be peak form for the and then they eat again. [00:59:24] Speaker B: Five or six years ago, one of the things that I got, they had somebody that come out once a week and take your body fat. I don't know how accurate it was, whatever. No, they would measure you. Yeah. And I remember getting so aggravated because every week that my body fat went down it was because I had lost muscle as much as I was losing some fat, but I was losing some of my muscle mass also. And I was like, no, I want to increase muscle mass and lose fat. And that's littered all over Instagram, Facebook, wherever else. Now cut fat and building muscle, but it's almost like it's scientifically impossible to do. [00:59:57] Speaker A: But that's why you don't listen to bro science. [01:00:00] Speaker B: Yeah, right. [01:00:01] Speaker A: That's just marketing. That's just trying to get you to buy a product. [01:00:03] Speaker B: Yeah. So in reality you can't do both at the same time. [01:00:05] Speaker A: Not really. [01:00:06] Speaker B: You can either get bigger, which is going to come with some fat or you can lose. [01:00:11] Speaker A: Well, we're talking about substantial here, right? Like, I'm talking about substantial muscle gain or substantial fat loss. Like, again, it's just a resources thing. At the end of the day, you either have the resources to accomplish the muscle building or you don't. [01:00:22] Speaker B: I'm much more concerned with fat. We've talked about this before. I feel like losing 20 pounds of fat would do more for power generation if that was my goal. [01:00:29] Speaker A: Efficient. Yeah. Lighter to move. [01:00:31] Speaker B: Yeah, but. And I would just look better. [01:00:34] Speaker C: I mean, come in fast, don't eat anything before you work out. Drink some coffee and get some protein in you. Or a good breakfast. You know how much, depending on how much time you have, you're gonna start losing weight. [01:00:48] Speaker A: I mean, look at the athletes, right? Like in the off season, basketball players, football players, they're training hard and they're eating. You should see the diets these guys have. Like, it's insane, but they're burning it every day. So they don't gain a lot of fat, but they can still build muscle because they technically are eating enough to still do that. But then during the season, like, you. [01:01:09] Speaker C: Know, trying to maintain. [01:01:11] Speaker A: They're trying to maintain it, you know. Yeah, it's all phases. [01:01:15] Speaker B: All right, so what are we committing to? I liked what we did a couple shows ago. [01:01:18] Speaker A: Committing to something. Yeah. I've got the match play this Saturday, so I've got to try to figure out some time, hopefully to. I've got the kids through tomorrow afternoon, and then I've got a golf lesson I teach Friday tomorrow afternoon, evening. And then literally the match plays the next day at 10. So I'll probably just do some light range work at the driving range tomorrow before my lesson or after the lesson. Just iron out any big kinks. Make sure that. Because I haven't hit a golf ball since the last tournament. [01:01:48] Speaker B: You haven't hit a ball since then? [01:01:50] Speaker A: Dude, man, I'm telling you, this is my life. I just don't really have. I mean, I can find the pockets of time, but, like, I've been working on my car so much this week. I've been having fun doing that. So, you know, it's just not been a priority for me. But we got the match play. I think we'll be okay. We'll see. You never know what's gonna happen. But I'm going to, because the semester's starting back up for me, too. It starts the 18th. That's the first day of semester. So what I'm going to do over the next week is start to set up an actual schedule for myself, a plan. I know when I'm giving lessons to these people. I know when I have the kids. Where's my windows? Where Tony gets to focus on his workouts and his golf improvement. And I want to set a schedule so that I can commit to that, because that's. If I don't have a schedule, I'm very like, add. I'll bounce around a million other things. [01:02:33] Speaker B: Yeah. What you, Mike? [01:02:35] Speaker C: I've been committing to doing something sporty on Saturday. So I'm either going for a run or I'm playing tennis. And so my goal is to keep that. I know I need to start hitting balls again, so. Figuring out when to do that. [01:02:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:02:54] Speaker C: So I think maybe once it cools. [01:02:56] Speaker B: Off, my commitment is to. Is to chill out a little bit on the freaking technical stuff and just practice hitting the deck on golf ball a little bit more and not thinking quite so much and just working on rhythm. And it's funny, when we did our little drill earlier here, trying to test my speed, it would have been interesting if I had started slow and then gone fast forward. But, yeah, the reason that I made better contact with those. That I was swinging hard is because that's kind of when I hit it the best. Because I don't have as much time to think about when my swing thought is literally knocked the hell out of it. I hit it pretty good. I make better contact when I try to slow down. I guide the club too much. So I'm going to practice. I'm going to commit to no more than 20% of my work on technique. [01:03:35] Speaker A: Yeah. So what I was going to say was, the only technical work I would give you is your right shoulders, and your right elbow is getting a little high at address. And I can also add address. [01:03:44] Speaker B: Okay, that helps. Well, see, address is something that's easy to fix. It's easy to fix because I hadn't. [01:03:49] Speaker A: Said it to them all. We're not gonna go down the rabbit hole. But I just. [01:03:52] Speaker B: That wraps the show. Bye, y'. All. Did you have something else you were gonna talk about a minute ago? You said. When we had the rain thing, you said you were changing the subject, too. Did you have a different topic? [01:04:06] Speaker A: Rain. [01:04:08] Speaker B: This is before the rain. [01:04:09] Speaker A: Yeah, I can't think about rain. [01:04:10] Speaker B: Cause I said I was gonna change the subject. You said you were, too. [01:04:12] Speaker A: No, I can't think of it. It'll come to me or it won't. So it's not that big of a deal. [01:04:15] Speaker B: I had to get him teed up on a good fitness topic so I. [01:04:18] Speaker A: Can get me to crack a beer. It is extra light millet. [01:04:22] Speaker B: It's barely beer, mostly water beer flavor.