Get a Grip on Your Clubs

[00:00:04] Speaker A: This. You're gonna slap me for this? But you mentioned spin rate, and I do have all the data, so we'll go into this. I cook my pitching wedge. You want to know why? I have no grooves on my pitching wedge. My spin rate on a sand wedge is 11,700 rpms. My pitching wedge is 6,800 rpms. [00:00:20] Speaker B: Hey. Winner, winner, chicken dinner. [00:00:21] Speaker A: So that's why my pitching. That's where some of my gap comes from, is that my pitching wedge shouldn't be going 150, it should be going 138. [00:00:27] Speaker B: Again, we're talking about grams, millimeters and degrees. That's the game we play. [00:00:31] Speaker A: Ye. [00:00:32] Speaker B: That. [00:00:37] Speaker C: The way it is for Gary? [00:00:38] Speaker B: What's that all about? [00:00:39] Speaker A: Attitude? Most days. Yeah. Most days. [00:00:44] Speaker B: Okay. So long story short. Yes. You said I've been playing better golf. Yeah, I've been playing fine golf, I guess. And so, long story short, I wanted to play more with my college students this semester. You know, we've got seniors who were graduating this semester to be the last time on campus with me, and we all came in together. Like, when I moved here, they were my freshmen. Right. So a lot of them. I'm playing golf. [00:01:03] Speaker C: Your fourth year? [00:01:04] Speaker B: Fourth. Going to the fifth year? Yeah. Okay. So they have a year and a half program, so we're gonna get done a year. But anyway, so most of the tournaments that they play are at Lonnie Pool from the tips Challenging long golf course. Right. Like the slope rating and the handicap rating. When you look at it, people who play there are like, no, it's not even close to challenging enough, if you will. But. So I hadn't played there from the tips in forever. And I. The last time I played there was, like, two weeks before, just with a friend and his fiance and. Or his wife. And we were just chilling, playing from, like, the white tees just to have fun. And so anyway, I was like, okay, well, I'm gonna have to play good. I'm gonna have to hit the ball and play with the driver long and far. I'm gonna have to hit my irons and approach as well. This, that, and the other. So we start off, and hole number 10 was our first hole. So it's a short par four, out of bounds left, first fairways, right. You don't really want to not be in play there. Hit a great seven wood or whatever. And then I. You. There's a lot of blind shots at London Pool. You can't see the bottom of the flag stick from the green. So unless you, like, walk around to go look at it. You shoot the number and you kind of have to estimate is it front, middle, back. So next hole, number 11 is a long par five. It's not really get a bull in two from the tips, hit a good drive, hit a good layup, hit a good third shot 15ft. Birdie putt finishes 2ft. Short greens are still running really slow. So to try to really learn how to calibrate there. But then I just walked up to it and hit it, not remembering I was trying to play a competitive round and missed the two foot putt. And I was like, ah, crap. Well, I got gotta make that stroke. It's part of my stroke now. So bogey there finished up the, the, the back nine or the front nine for us, which was the back nine. Fine. I mean I was like it. Shot a 41 with some really stupid mistakes, obviously. Then I get to the back nine and I go, birdie the first hole, which is a par five, par the second, which is a tough par three. Birdie the third, which is a tough par five. Birdie the fourth, which is a par four, par the fifth, par four, par the sixth, par four. Birdie the seventh, which is a par five. And on hole number the first par five, the second par five, I missed an eagle putt on the lip. So that could have been an eagle. Then we get to the 17th hole, which is number eight, a short difficult par three. I missed another birdie right on the lip. So I could theoretically have been six under at best, right on 30, watch, you know, which is crazy. And I get to 18, number nine, which is our 18th hold. And there's hazard all the way down the left. You don't want to be there. And then there's just fescue on the right in a bunker. This fescue, I kid you not, is like up to your knees right now. So I hedge my bets. I'm going to put it a little right to be safe. Don't make a confident, committed decision on the swing. Even though I'd been striving, driver perfectly ends up barely finding my ball. But it's buried down in the thick fescue. You can't even hardly see it. So I'm like, do I just take an unplayable here and take a stroke? But then you're like, well, there's nowhere for me to drop it that isn't also tall fescue. So you try to hack it out and then it's US Open style. Just made a triple, Gave three of the four. Birdies back, but played, played just fine. I was very happy with how I play from the challenging seven. [00:03:59] Speaker C: This was from the blacks. [00:04:00] Speaker B: This is from the tips. Yeah. So it would have been a really good handicap differential. It would have been one that I kept for my handicap. But I was pleased with how it played. You know, the kids are like texting me, what's going on? You got four under goal. You know, having a good time. Yeah, it was a lot of fun, but made the right decision. It just. What are you going to do when the fescue is three feet tall? Yeah, so. And then we played in our match player. We did on Monday. [00:04:27] Speaker A: We tag teamed that fairly well. I played really well the first few holes and then we both kind of took a little break around the 9, 10 home mark so that I could hand them the baton and take him, take it from there. We both, we both bogeyed 9 and 10, I think. And then after that I never played good again. But he played lights out. So we both shot 73, but we best balled 67. So that was really. [00:04:53] Speaker B: With the two bogeys. If you get the bogeys off. And then I had two, two simulator putts that bounced over the back of the cup. And then you had one that bounced over the back. [00:05:02] Speaker A: Yeah. And one of dead center. [00:05:03] Speaker B: And then just go hop. You're like. [00:05:05] Speaker A: And one of yours, one of yours was traveling pretty high rate of speed on the screen. At least the second one was dying in anyway. And it was dead center. I told you the cab capture ratio or the capture area or whatever you call it is, is pretty small on the, the simulators. But, but. [00:05:23] Speaker B: So we'll see what we do, right? I mean, we'll see where we end up. It's a lot of fun. Simulator golf is definitely different. You have to adjust and calibrate. And like I told you guys, that's the same thing that happened when I set my handicap. Those three nine hole rounds. First nine hole round, I think I shot one over. And then after that it was two under, two unders. [00:05:40] Speaker A: Well, there's an interesting lesson to be learned from that actually for real golf. I was thinking about this today. When you and I were warming up that day or when I was warming up before you got there, I was hitting the ball pretty hard, but it, I had a little fade and it wasn't going anywhere. And I was like, that's kind of odd, but you know, whatever. Kind of one of them days, I guess. But then when we started playing, you didn't seem like it Was really. Something was a little bit off with you too. I looked down and it was just barely off, probably 2 degrees. And. And 2 degrees is, is almost impossible to detect with the naked eye. You have to lay a shaft down beside the launch monitor to see that. But there's a really important lesson there because at Sully's, or any launch monitor, as long as you're square, you know, it's great. As long as I get the launch monitor square, all I gotta do is make sure my feet are square with the mat and I'm set for the whole day. I know I'm square. On a golf course, you don't have that. And a simulator or a monitor like that shows you how important 2 degrees is. You may not even be able to tell your feet are off 2 degrees. But it turns a straight shot into a weak 10 yard fade with. Or, you know, 15 yards less. [00:06:41] Speaker B: Or for me, with my sister, remember I was like, I don't hit massive pulls with the seven wood. And then sure enough, he adjusts the launch monitor, he moves it and then it's back to just like. Exactly. I think it should. So, yeah, you can adjust it. [00:06:57] Speaker A: Yeah, the ones that we were playing on, you can. They're just on the ground there. So you can adjust them, I think. And that's also how they get a little bit off. Somebody bumps it by accident, they think it looks the same. But one degree. Like I said, it may not. You may not notice it. [00:07:09] Speaker B: But what I'm gonna do next time is I'm gonna bring my alignment stick. That works with that. [00:07:14] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:07:14] Speaker B: Launch monitor. I'm gonna set that sucker down. [00:07:16] Speaker A: Make sure it's right on. Yes. [00:07:17] Speaker B: Because I mean, I. I hit some massive offline shots. I was like, this is not right at all, you know, so. [00:07:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:07:24] Speaker B: But anyway, we had a lot of fun. We'll do it again this week or next week and see where we end up and got to play TPC Boston. It was fun. [00:07:31] Speaker A: Yeah, it was cool. [00:07:32] Speaker B: We got a student interning there right now. [00:07:34] Speaker A: Oh, really? [00:07:34] Speaker B: I'm sorry. We played dpc. [00:07:36] Speaker A: That's right. [00:07:38] Speaker B: For copyright. [00:07:39] Speaker A: That's right. That's right. So I did a little experiment this morning and you know, see, Mike's asked for an agenda. I don't really do agendas that well. I am more of a shoot from the hip kind of guy. If I've got an agenda, I get, you know, kind of messed up. But I guess preparation makes some sense. Especially since that was like our first episode, so. But I couldn't really Give you much of an agenda on the, the experiment? Cause I didn't know how the experiment was going to go. But I was telling Tony before we started recording, you should have about, you know, 12 to 15 yards gaps between how far you hit each club. And I didn't feel like I had that. I feel like I can hit a lot of different clubs. 150. And I can hit a lot of different clubs. 175. But I feel like I've got like these little clusters of yardages and you know, and then huge gaps in between them. So I went in today, just went through my entire bag and hit five balls with each club. Trying to go full speed. Not like max myself out speed, but the way I would hit a full shot on the golf course. And I just, you know, going through. [00:08:38] Speaker C: Does that sell it? [00:08:40] Speaker A: Shout out Solace. I think we've already got a sully shout out in. But that's okay. We can do multiples per show. My pitching wedge to nine iron. There's. There's that comfortable gap that you see. And if you look at like the trackman charts incrementally, each club's about two to three miles per hour faster on club speed. And then that's about 10 to 1213 yards difference in carry distance. My wedge is 93 miles per hour. My nine is 96. My eight is 96.2. My seven is 97.2. My six and my five are both exactly 99. My four is 100.5. Then there's a little jump at my two iron hybrid. It goes to 104. My three wood was 113. My driver was 115. So if you compare that to like the tour average. I was telling him my wedge and non iron. I'm like super faster than the tour average. Some of that's probably because they're not swinging at full speed. They're hitting three quarter shots with those clubs. I don't know how trackman gathers that data or how they easy draw averages. [00:09:44] Speaker B: I mean literally they track every single shot, every shot. So that's the hard thing is they say, okay, they hit a nine iron. Well, they might have been hitting a knock down nine. [00:09:51] Speaker A: Right. [00:09:52] Speaker B: Three quarter because of wind or whatever. [00:09:53] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:09:53] Speaker B: So there's. Yeah, that's going to play into it. [00:09:55] Speaker A: And also when you look at like the PGA tour stats and you see clubhous speed off the tee, that's not accounting for only drivers. That's any tee shot. Or is it only driver holes? [00:10:04] Speaker B: I think the shot link data is they use an uphill or an upwind and a downwind hole where drivers predominantly the play. But again, sometimes Rory or someone else might not be hitting driver they might be hitting with. So, yeah, there's always caveats to all of that mass data collection stuff. [00:10:22] Speaker A: Yeah. So I don't know if there's, you know, what significance there is in the data, I guess. But I do know that my yardage here, my carry yardages for each of these. 151 for the wedge, 150 for the nine, 169 for the eight, 180 for the seven, 187 for the six, 197 for the five, and then 208 for the four, 233 for the two, 254 for the three wood, 291 for the driver. So there's not a single gap in my bag other than the two iron and the three wood and the driver. That is at least 12 yards. They're all 9, 10, 11 yards. That's a problem because I don't have a 181 club. I don't have a 162 club. I don't. I have a 150 club, a 175 and a 200. I've got three actually of each of those, but I don't have a 192 or a 167. So I don't know what the reason for that is. I text you this morning. Is it. This is. This is one of these things where this is a needy subject because it can be a mechanical thing that I'm swinging harder, and that makes it less efficient in the longer clubs. It can be an equipment thing. It can be a number of things. So y' all take it from there. Why do I not have. And ideally, we don't want to normalize. What I want to do is not back the wedge down to 125 to get those gaps. Right now I want to start hitting the. The four iron 225 and the driver 330, as I should should be doing there. So what. What could be going wrong there? Whether it's. Is there a physical limitation where I was asking him. I don't think Tony believes this, but I think that my butt's too strong for my hands. I think that I'm just generating. Once I get above about 100 miles per hour, my hands can't hold the pressure anymore. But that's not really true. [00:12:15] Speaker B: Squeeze my hand as hard as you can. [00:12:17] Speaker A: Maybe. [00:12:19] Speaker B: I don't think there's. Go ahead. I'm sorry. Go ahead. [00:12:22] Speaker A: Well, there's not a way. We asked about that on one of the other shows. Is there a way to like a standardized grip test, your grip strength test. But one of the things I'm working on is holding that. This pressure point to the last three fingers of left hand, your pinky, your ring finger and your middle finger of your left hand should stay clamped to the club pretty much through impact at least. And for me to do that, I feel like I've got to really slow my swing down. If I try to swing even 90% with those longer clubs, I can't hold it. It doesn't feel like. But that could be even a mechanical thing. [00:12:54] Speaker B: See how big your name is too. Go ahead, Mike. [00:12:57] Speaker C: Well, my first thought was, when you're testing all your clubs, are you getting more loosened up as you go from club to club? [00:13:08] Speaker A: So I was fully loose when I started this. So I hit a 25 ball warmup to get loose. And then basically I knew I was good because my sandwich, I know what my best end of my sandwich speed is. It's about 90. So once I get to about 89, 90, I'm like, okay, I'm loose. That's as good as I can get my swing speed for a sand wedge. So I was loose when I started. He was talking about fatigue. [00:13:29] Speaker B: I'm like, you see, he's hitting 100% rapid fire clubs shots with each club. By the time it gets top of the bag, he's going to be. [00:13:38] Speaker A: But the thing with that is the very last club that I hit was driver and it was 115, what I expected. [00:13:44] Speaker C: Yeah, you could play around with it. And did you just go right through the numbers? Like you could just go random with your club selection? [00:13:54] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:13:55] Speaker C: Just to see, because you might have a preconceived bias with, with your club, you know, unless you just were totally unaware of what your numbers were going into it. [00:14:06] Speaker A: I was trying really hard to focus on trying to make the same. And that's why I was sequentially going through the bag so that I could. There might be a risk of me swinging a lot faster with the driver than I would a nine iron or vice versa. But I'm not going to swing the 6 much different than a 7, the 7 much different than an 8. So I was in just gradually trying to say, okay, I want to hit this nine exactly the same way I was hitting the eight or the wedge and then just build my way up. But I don't know. And then you asked me, swing weight can make it I've never looked at swing weights. I've done a lot with my loft lies. [00:14:35] Speaker B: I remember what I was gonna say. You hit five balls. Did you toss out your high and low and give the actual. [00:14:42] Speaker A: So the numbers that I just gave you were tossing out, they were just taking my best three of five. And. And I went back through the data before we came over here to make sure that I got shanked. An iron. [00:14:51] Speaker B: Iron. [00:14:51] Speaker A: Okay. So I didn't include that one. Yeah. And I would say, I mean, I specifically. [00:14:56] Speaker B: Fairly consistent. It's usually very tight tolerances. [00:14:59] Speaker A: Yeah. And the swing speeds. I Did, you know, the data that I just. I took the spreadsheet and then just cherry picked out to make sure that I was only using good shots, not letting a big toe ball that went 30 yards left, you know, skew the data. [00:15:14] Speaker C: Are you biting the same ball every time? Okay, well, that's good. [00:15:18] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:15:18] Speaker C: Trying to get as streamlined as possible. [00:15:20] Speaker B: It's the same brand model. Yes. So here's. Here's. From a golf club equipment standpoint, right ear grooves and your club faces on your short irons are extremely worn. I would be curious to see if the grooves are worn down. You're getting lower, spinning with those. And therefore they carry farther. The other issue with clubs in general is most of the time, people's gaps between clubs tend to get smaller as they get higher up in the bag because they don't have enough speed, which is not your case. They don't have enough speed to generate the launch and spin of the need to carry the ball incrementally farther or consistently same increment. So their gap between their 4 and 5 iron might only be 5, 6 yards of carry, but it rolls out more with a four iron. Right. So that's where people might need to go into a hybrid or settler or something like that because they don't generate enough speed. This is for your average listener. Right. Your type of climb. Right. But the other thing, too is if you are hitting predominantly off mats, which I know you do at Sully's, that can affect loft and lie over time. Right. So my point to be was going to say, I need you to come to the golf course, and we need to swing weight, total weight, measure the length. We need to get you back on the launch monitor and get launch angles and spin rates, because that could obviously be where discrepancy is. One of the first activities we have our students do when they come into the PGM program is they have to assess their full bag for all the things I just talked about, because I had a situation where a really good player came into me, was like, doc, my clubs are going the same. My five and six iron are going the exact same distance. Carry. I don't know what the heck's going on. So. Well, let's take a look at them. I said, son, where did you buy these clubs? He goes, oh, I got them off Facebook Marketplace used. I was like, your five iron shaft is in your six iron, and your six iron shaft is in your five iron. So something as simple as them not being incrementally linked properly, swing weighted properly, total weighted properly. Especially by stuff used, you don't know what you're getting. If it's not been custom built or checked, your loft angles could be substantially different from what they need to be. These are all variables that will affect carry distance, total distance, spend. [00:17:25] Speaker A: All right, so let's. I'm going to. That's why I say this is a pretty juicy little experiment. We can go so many different ways with it. And I always want to. I've said this, I think before, but I want to reiterate it. I'm not quite narcissistic enough to think that we should make this show help Garrett's golf game get better, because that's not going to appeal to very many listeners out there. The point of bringing this up is that all these little lessons and nuggets that I learned, I bet I'm not the only one. I'm not so unique that I'm the only one who's having them. [00:17:54] Speaker B: Yeah, nobody close. 4. Like, unless you actually care about turning often. [00:17:58] Speaker C: So just to piggyback that, I was talking to my client today. He's always complaining about us putting. And I asked him, has he been fitted for his putter? And he's like, no. You know, I mean, he literally says he's got about 20 putters, and he. Just an old gentleman. [00:18:15] Speaker B: Yep. If I wouldn't. Hope it works, right? [00:18:17] Speaker C: And he's shorter. And I say, well, you know, I know of guys that take them in and they get. Take an inch off, you know, and He's. He's under 5, 7. [00:18:27] Speaker B: And. [00:18:29] Speaker C: I said, you know, I talked to clients, they thought they were going straight back and straightforward, and they actually had a loop, you know, a little bit of a curve. And they didn't know until they went and got fitted, and lo and behold, they changed the loft and the lie. But I guess my point is that, you know, I train guys that golf, you know, anywhere from three to five times a week, and you'd be surprised how many guys have never been fitted for clubs or it's been years and now they're working with me and just, you know, they're, they're, they complain about the same things. Hey, you know, let's, let's look at the equipment as well. So anyway, I'm just surprised even with as much as my clients play that they, they don't take the time to just get fitted and refitted. [00:19:22] Speaker B: And it's hard too for people who are just getting into the game especially, or who don't have as much expendable income because they want to play. They don't want to spend all their yearly golf budget on a brand new set of fitted irons and then don't have any money to play. So that's a real substantial part of it. But when we are talking about a game of degrees and millimeters as far as toe ball, heel ball, center strike, like your equipment definitely matters. None of those tour players who are playing the best golf on the planet, none of the college players, none of your top tier amateurs have neglected equipment. They won't because it is too important. Like you go to the freaking tour trucks. You can go and watch TaylorMade and Titleist tour truck videos. They've got it down to a build sheet for Rory's driver. Gets this much hot melt in this part of the clubhead. It's cut to this specific length. It's swing weighted to this. And it's two wraps under the right hand, three reps under the left hand. [00:20:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:20:13] Speaker B: Logo has to be facing down. Right. Like it's such a fine tuned science. And I remember watching a video on top of Tiger on the range and he had some Nike demo clubs he was working with. He took one swing with the driver and I'm going to say something. I bet you can delete or pull her out. Whatever. He goes, he took one swing with the driver. The audience who's watching the clinic goes, wow. He goes, well, that thing's a piece of. And he just tosses it. [00:20:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:20:34] Speaker B: Even though he hit a great shot, he's like, that's not the one. [00:20:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:20:37] Speaker B: It doesn't fit. It's not for me. [00:20:39] Speaker A: Well, and here's, here's the easy right. [00:20:41] Speaker B: Like it's. [00:20:42] Speaker A: And here's the lesson here. Okay. I don't think most of our listeners are going to be getting into that level of fine tuning. That being said, let's look at how this can go wrong for your average player. You asked me earlier when I talked about the swing When I text you about the swing weights, did you buy the clubs used? Well, interesting fact on that. I bought this set of clubs from one of the. To me, the most trusted club fitter out there. I've known the guy since I was 14, 15 years old. Worked for him when I was in high school. He's done all of my club work for years and does amazing work. He. I got these clubs from him in 2017, 2018. Brand new. Custom fit the shafts, custom did the lofts, the lies, everything got it exactly. I wanted it. After a couple of years of just pounding balls like I was pounding them back. Then the grooves on my wedge, 9 and 8 were pretty worn out, so I bought a. I didn't want to buy a whole new set, so I got a set on ebay for that. Had just six through wedge used. Took the six through wedge back to my guy, said, hey, let's swap these shafts out. We take my shafts out, put it in that head, bend the law fly, get them exactly where they are. And now I think I've got a. A fresh great thing. Now that was part of how we got here. Here's another part of how we got here. I do pound a lot of golf balls and because of that, I wear the club head out. I break a lot of stuff. Not out of anger, but because. Right. The other. A few months ago, I broke my nine iron on number 13 at Eagle Ridge. I pop my nine iron and the head goes flying off into the gully. I go dig the nine iron out, but you know, different shaft. Well, instead of reshafting that head, I had another nine iron. So I just stuck it in the bag. Not ideal. In the meantime, I've gone back and bent all of my other clubs to get them from 2 degrees upright, where I had them before, down to standard, which is just where I've made some swing changes. But that nine iron is still 2 degrees upright. It also has an S300 shaft in it instead of the KBS X Flex that I have. Also, because the wedge gets so much work. This. You're going to slap me for this. But you mentioned spin rate and I do have all the data, so we'll go into this. And I knew this. I just had withheld it till now. Here's the average spin rate of my club. [00:22:53] Speaker B: The doctor and they're like, we didn't tell me that. You know. [00:22:56] Speaker A: No, no, no. This was, this was part of the fun of the podcast though. [00:22:59] Speaker C: I wanted, you wanted to see how. [00:23:00] Speaker B: How close I would get to diagnosis. [00:23:02] Speaker A: I Thought that this would come up on the podcast, and it's a. It's a great little piece of data. So I cook my pitching wedge average, carry 148. My best three average 151. My nine iron is only 150. Well, that's a problem. You want to know why I have no grooves on my pitching wedge. My spin rate on a sand wedge is 11,700 RPMs. My spin rate on a 9 iron is 88.8900 RPM. [00:23:27] Speaker B: Pretty standard. Yeah. [00:23:28] Speaker A: 77 on the 8. [00:23:29] Speaker B: Yep, yep, yep, yep. [00:23:30] Speaker A: 69. 7000 on the 7, and so on. My pitching wedge is 6800 RPM. [00:23:36] Speaker B: Winner, winner, chicken dinner. [00:23:37] Speaker A: So that's why my pitching. That's where some of my gap comes from, is that my pitching wood shouldn't be going 150, it should be going 138. If it's spinning the way it should, then that solves that gap. Okay, my nine iron, I don't know where it should go. The. The fitter at Solly's took my nine and wedge and eight iron the other day and put them on his loft law machine. My loft on my nine iron is almost the same as my pitching wedge, even though they were custom built and bent four years ago or eight years ago. [00:24:03] Speaker B: That's exactly my point. [00:24:04] Speaker A: Forged irons are going to bend with wear. [00:24:08] Speaker B: They're very similar. [00:24:08] Speaker A: Okay, so I haven't gone back through my bag. I did actually check most of them except the nine iron not too long ago. But that nine iron is way out of whack in a lot of different ways. So I have some of the answers to this. I don't know. What I don't have, though, is the swing speed. The swing speed is. I can understand how the swing speed jumped. For example, my nine iron swing speed jumped from 93 on the wedge to 96 on the nine. But the carry distance went down a yard. We've explained that that spin rate, and that's the nine iron might be a little jacked up, whatever. But I can't explain from clubs that I. Or at least from, you know, the. The head dynamics, grooves, and all that kind of stuff, why my club head speed goes from 96 on a nine to, what did I say? 96.2 on an eight, 97.2 on a seven, and then only 99 to the six. It should be going up more than three miles an hour for three clubs. If there's not something else off on that, which swing weight, I have no idea what Swing weight is. I. I understand what the concept of it is, but I don't know what it does to ball flight. [00:25:16] Speaker B: So there's a difference between swing weight and total weight. Total weight is how much the club weighs. Wrong. Built put together, how much is it typically measured in grams? Swing weight is a measure on a fulcrum of where the weight of the head is balanced along the shaft. So ideally, all of your irons would be the same swing weight. D2, something like that. D1, D2, D3 for most people. And that's kind of how the shafts are designed as well, and says how heavy the clip feels to you. So there's a direct correlation between the lower number of the club, the wedges, the nine irons are heavier total weight than the driver. Those are the lightest total weight because that fulcrum point changes because the club gets longer. So to be all balanced out and have the same swing weight, they have to take weight out in different places. So that's why the head of a wedge is extremely heavy. The head of a driver's extremely light because they have to make up for that weight somewhere with the length of the shaft. So regardless, the point I'm trying to make is, again, we're talking about grams, millimeters, and degrees. That's the game we play. [00:26:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:26:24] Speaker B: And if you put a slightly heavier head weight in my driver, I'm going to know you changed it. One of my buddies who's the fitter at Lonnie Pool, I'll never forget. Funny for him. Funny sad for him. Funny for me. We were playing at Lonnie Pool one time a few years ago, and he was missing his driver. Right, right, right, right, right. Just over and over and over, he's like, what the heck is going on? He lifts out his club, and one of the other guys he had hired borrowed his driver, changed the settings, didn't tell him, put it back in the bag, never put it back together. He was like, I'm gonna kill this guy. [00:26:59] Speaker A: Right? [00:27:00] Speaker B: Because. [00:27:01] Speaker A: Well, I have. Literally, you know, again, a few. A few months ago, I was. I cracked my three wood at just overuse and cracked the face of it. And same deal I get on ebay, buy an exact replica of it, stick it in, you know, stick the shaft in. Go to Solis. My spin rate's gone up, like, 13, 1400 RPMs. So it. I didn't even realize that my three wood had alternate weights that you could change out. I had the blue weight instead of the red weight. So I went home and I changed It I go out and hit it. I pick up about seven or eight of those yards, but I don't get the whole 12 or 15 back. So I get the club out and I just start rubbing the face. Yeah, I'd worn the grooves out on the three wood. That's why I'd picked up the extra 10. You know, 10 yards on that. You can have have the exact same club head. I mean it wasn't Scotty Scheffler's was disallowed or something at the PGA or something because the tour guys have learned after I hit the ball a few times, it gets a little bit more trampoline effect and they will break one in a little bit. And now the tours figure that out. So now they check their drivers to make sure they're not too trampolini. I don't know if that's a word. We'll make it up for the show. So you know, if, if you get a brand new driver you can you could literally probably get five different heads of the exact same driver. Hit them and you're going to like one better than another. The exact same shaft. You might like one better than another. [00:28:22] Speaker B: That's and so that's another very valid point. I'm glad you raised. We. We don't seem to remember that golf clubs are a manufacturing process. They go along an assembly line. They are machined, some of them are casted with a mold. Right. But all of those things have tolerances just like anything in life. And if you go to some golf club websites it'll even mention on there that there's a slight chance that within a range this is the club you're going to get. So even if you buy a brand new club straight from Mizuna, straight from Shrixon like I you know I get straight from Strixon or whatever you need to get it checked out. After you get it in, it might need to be rebuilt like some I even our college kids they order straight from Titleist. My kids order straight from Titleist. You know, I still make them bring their clubs in to make sure they are exactly two specific as per what the website says. It'll tell you what the swing weight supposed to be. It'll tell you what the total weight supposed to be. It'll tell you what the loft and lie supposed to be. You check that. [00:29:14] Speaker A: Yeah. Well and we the last what you. [00:29:16] Speaker B: Buy used new whatever I think was. [00:29:18] Speaker A: Our last episode was the race car show we talked about was racing analogies. But I remember back in the day the NASCAR guys would just have one car that was just lights out dominant, and it would win everything. It was built the exact same way. Every other car with the exact same part, the exact same specs, but for whatever reason, this one particular one just. It got glued together a little differently than the rest, and they run so much better. So golf clubs are the same way. And I don't think most of the listeners are going to go out and buy 17 different driver heads and figure out which one goes the best. But you should understand how these. I mean, if you've been hitting, you know, 3,500 golf balls a month off a mat like I have, guess what? You need to go back in and have that thing recalibrated. And just make sure all your wedges, all your clubs are still the right law fly. Check your grooves once in a while and make sure that, you know, you shouldn't be spinning a pitching. I can get by spinning a pitching wedge that low because I launch it so high. But in fact, I wish I could sand down all of my clubs and get that extra juice. But. But they do have a much bigger impact than what your average player might realize sometimes. [00:30:22] Speaker B: Yeah, grooves matter, especially on the wedges. I think there was a. I even read a story or watched a video with Jason Day. He was talking about whenever he gets a brand new wedge off the tour truck, he goes for like three straight days and hits a bunch of balls out of bunkers because he doesn't want the extra SP. He wants to not rip the ball back 35ft on every shot. So he's wearing him down a little bit to get to that sweet spot that he likes. And let's not forget, these tour players go through wedges. They might change wedges every other tournament depending on the course conditions they're playing. If it's firm and fast, they might want low bounce, a lot of relief on the toe and the heel. If it's soft and wet, they might have a different setup, but they get this stuff for free. And then he'd be like, hey, man, build me six different combinations of my 60 degree. And then they play around the practice round with them. Like, this is the one for these course conditions. [00:31:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:31:05] Speaker B: And they can get this stuff checked whenever they want. And they can get new stuff whenever they want. [00:31:10] Speaker A: Yeah. So maintain your grips. Clean them. Make sure that you don't have them falling off. Like I was getting. I was getting big time guilt. Guilt. Tripped by Tony. Before we started recording on how bad my grips are, I said, did you. [00:31:24] Speaker B: Least clean them yet? He goes, no. [00:31:25] Speaker A: I said, in fact. In fact, I don't need to bother cleaning them because the pitching wedge is about to fall apart anyway. The grip's, like, peeling at this point. Might need some new grips. You know, it's the only part of the club I actually touch, so maybe it should be in good condition. [00:31:38] Speaker C: A good club fitter will not always try to sell you on more clubs. It's like. Like you said, hey, you just need a new. Some new grips. That's the least expensive route to go. And I love what you're saying about the used clubs. Like, bring your youth clubs in, and there's no reason why you have to just put up with what's on the rack or whatever, whoever was hitting them. [00:32:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:32:00] Speaker C: And just for. Look for just a little bit of money, they can make an adjustment for you and then make a recommendation, and then. Yeah, well, when you have the money saved up, you can buy some new stuff. [00:32:12] Speaker A: Well, and a few years ago, I mean, when I was. When I had to replace those. Those four clubs, was it a sin that I bought a used set off of ebay that might not have been the exact same, you know, came out of the same batch that my roof. No, that's fine. You can do that. Hit them. And what you might find is that for whatever reason, this batch was a little bit hot. If it's a little bit hot, maybe you have to back that one down a degree. If it's a little cold, then maybe you need to juice it up a degree. Maybe you can do. You can make other alterations to also, but you need to make sure that you don't just assume that they're the exact same. I have two driver heads, which technically, this is not the same. It's the Callaway epic sub zero and a regular non sub zero, whatever it was, but totally different characteristics between those two heads. Even having, like I said, switching three woods, you know, you can have the exact same head and they just. It's not gonna be the same. So stay on top of your equipment, find a good club fitter, and just. I don't know. How often should you be calibrating? I guess that's one thing. I know that it needs to be calibrated, but it's kind of like changing the oil of my car. I don't. I know it's supposed to be done, but I don't really keep track of how many miles it's been. So how. Just feels like it's been a minute. Maybe I should. So how often should golfers recalibrate their stuff. [00:33:23] Speaker B: It depends on the goals. If you actually want to be a better player, you need to account for the variable so you make sure your equipment's good. Like the race car driver always checks the tire pressure before they run. They make sure the operating time, sort of. These are just checkpoints. These are just things that we need to be aware of, inventory type things so that when you go to play, that's not in the back of your mind. Well, maybe my clubs are off or maybe it's just not working for me. I would say as far as buying new equipment, listen, club fitters, club builders might hate me on this, but the USDA and RNA have set limits on how hot a driver can be, how hot a golf ball can be. Anything after that is marketing. [00:34:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:00] Speaker B: You know, like we reached that threshold a long time ago. And so what TaylorMade was really bad at, and we're probably not going to get Taylor made sponsorship now, but what they did back in the day was they just made everything lighter and longer at the drivers. [00:34:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:11] Speaker B: Super fast burner 2.0, all these things. It was like a 46 inch driver shaft. [00:34:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:18] Speaker B: Yeah. If you timed it all up, that thing will go for days. But it wasn't because the head was hot. It was because the freaking shaft is an extra inch and a half or whatever standard. So you gotta be careful about that. You gotta be careful about loft jacking. Companies have been doing that for years. Like, if you look at historical charts, like an old seven iron is now a nine iron. They've dropped two clubs, almost put a different number on it and put a longer shaft in it. Yeah, look, you're hitting these. These are 15 yards from. Well, if that was true, we should all be hitting 450 yard drives by now. [00:34:49] Speaker A: Right? Right. [00:34:50] Speaker B: So the biggest area of improvement now is in the forgiveness category for drivers and irons. Moi. But even now, they're going to start to talk about limiting. Moi. Forgiveness. [00:35:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:35:00] Speaker B: So like the driver I have is actually the max G4.25. Because I didn't feel I needed a low spin. I didn't need it to go any farther. I needed to be able to play more. [00:35:10] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [00:35:11] Speaker B: So it's, it's. And it all comes down to the goals of the golfer. What their weaknesses are, what they need out of the equipment. You go on the tour truck, you can go on Ping's website, you can look through the Tour staff players, both PGA and lpga. Completely different setups, every last one. Yeah, right. Because that's what they need is what helps them fight their best. [00:35:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:35:28] Speaker B: But I would say check every five years to see if, you know, there's something out there new that fits you better or maybe you have an injury, you need a little bit whippier of a shaft to help to get the ball airborne. [00:35:38] Speaker A: Well, as your game changes a little bit too. I mean, right now you talk about my. Yeah, I mean, I. We've Talked about my 2 iron before. I mean, I like it when I hit it. It reminds me of like the old. I used to have a Titleist pt 15. Like it was the least forgiving club in the world, but, man, when I was playing good, there was nothing like it. It was like a blade for a three wood. Right. That two iron kind of reminds me of that when I hit it good. I love it. But it's probably. Yeah, I probably. How often do I hit it? Probably more often than I should, honestly, because I don't hit it good as often. So. But what would I get instead? Honestly, I might. Would get one of these new forgiving drivers that doesn't go as far, but they just, you know, get it in play. That might be something I would toy around with. But, you know, as equipment, as new things come out, you may play a little bit of algebra and, you know, you got 14 clubs, which ones are going to be the best for your game right now? [00:36:27] Speaker B: And again, the. The tour players change it based off of the courser. [00:36:31] Speaker A: Yep. [00:36:31] Speaker B: Change it based off of the round. They change it based off the conditions. So it's having tools in your tool bag for whatever situation arise. Yeah, for sure. [00:36:40] Speaker A: So, Mike, I have. I've started back at the gym since our last. I said I was going to. And I've. I've been a good boy. I've only gone two to three times a week for 30 minutes, mixing in a very. A variety of carries. And I just go to the track and I'll. I'll do a carry for one lap and then I'll run three laps and then I'll do another carry for a lap and run three laps. [00:37:00] Speaker C: What. So what's a carry? [00:37:02] Speaker A: Farming. Yeah, Kettlebear. Kettlebells. So I've been doing farmers carries of both and then I've done the suitcase carries or whatever where you just carry one or the other. And then I've been mixing in a cross carry where you carry a heavy one on one side and then I have to do a lighter one with an overhead on the other. That one is hard, by the way. That is by far my least favorite. Like a 35 pound kettlebell on my right hand with a 13 pound over my head with the lift. And man, that will kill your, your offhand that when you're doing that. But I'm, I am interested in, in the grip strength thing and we were, you've talked about a little bit on other episodes and you were talking about a minute ago before we were on, but what are some of the things that you're doing to build grip strength? And talk a little bit about the, the, the studies TPI has done on tour players and their grip strengths. [00:37:48] Speaker C: And yep, back in January I was out in Orlando for the annual Golf Fitness Summit and everything's data driven and so they, they threw some numbers up on the board and they were just basically saying the average amateur golfer has a, say a grip strength of a five, you know, and the average tour player has a grip strength of a nine. That just, you know, they, their grip is stronger. Right. But they, they said the data for the amateur is the grip pressure. That's how much, how they're hard they're squeezing the club on. The downswing is actually they're squeezing the club harder than the pro guys. And I was like, well that's really interesting. And so their takeaway is, you know, when you over grip a club because you don't have the grip strength that, that just tightens everything up and it makes you swing the club slower. I mean whether it's baseball, hockey, you know, you've got a bat, a stick in your hand, you over grip your club, it's going to slow things down. And so I've really been working hard since January with my clients to work on their grip strength. And I, I found that it's, it's so boring just to sit and just do grip exercises. So I'm like this, you know, for a personal trainer, it's like it's. Nothing is more boring than just have somebody squeeze exercise balls or you know. And so I'm like, okay, how can I incorporate grip strength just with what we're already doing? So I utilized these things called fat grips. You can go online and they're just big pieces of rubber that has a slit down the side and it just fits over a kettlebell, it fits over a dumbbell, you can slip it on a pull down bar, but it's just a great way to, it's an over grip and so it's harder to lift things. You can't lift things as heavy because the grip is bigger. And so it's a great way to improve your Grip strength. And you don't have to sit and do the boring forearm exercise. You can just incorporate it into what you're doing. So fat grips are great, and I use them. And it's kind of a joke. They give me a hard time because I use them in the gym all the time. Please don't let me do the foundry hips. Don't put the facts like this. [00:40:19] Speaker A: I love the kettlebell carries because they're kind of a two for one. It's actually a three for one, actually, for the way I'm doing it because I need to lose the weight. So the running helps me with that. And then the kettle care or the kettlebell carries or any weighted carry is it helps your posture as much as it does your grip strength. So I've loved mixing those in. And it's actually one of those things that I actually kind of look forward to doing. I hate doing it, but I also kind of look forward to. I like the way I feel afterwards. It's like you kind of walk around with your chest all puffed out for a couple of days after you do them. You just feel like. You just feel stronger. And it's. And I think it has even. I mean, I've only been doing it for a couple of weeks. But you do start to feel it creep into your golf game a little bit. Because now I feel awkward if I'm not in the right posture. And where sometimes the right posture can feel awkward to you now it's like if I. If I got. I'm slouched over. That's another interesting thing I learned a while back is that I was getting a little over the top in my golf swing, and I just worked on my posture and just working on my posture, getting my shoulders back. I got the club back on the inside because. And just stand there in golf posture and slouch your shoulders and make a swing. And then when you get to that delivery position, move your shoulders back and look at what it does to the shaft. It moves the shaft back to the inside. So it's. It's amazing what just again, PGA posture, grip alignment. It's amazing what those things can. We kind of touched on two of them. We've talked about grip. We've talked about posture now, and we talked about alignment earlier with the Solis thing. And so we've covered the entire PGA today. [00:41:50] Speaker C: Yeah, if you're slouching and it's going to affect your ability to rotate and you know, how many golfers out there complain of. Of, you know, back pain, discomfort and getting in the right alignment with your spine, it's just. You're automatically. You can affect the ability to rotate. I think titus said, like, 60%. Like, if you're hunched over and you can't, you're not able to rotate as much, just. And then, you know, when you're tired and it's hot, what's the first thing that goes? Your posture. [00:42:25] Speaker A: Right. [00:42:26] Speaker C: And so just doing a double check in. In your setup, it's gonna. Before you even take the club back, you've already increased your ability to rotate by just getting a good spine angle. [00:42:39] Speaker B: So. [00:42:40] Speaker A: Yeah. And it's in. It's fun. To me, maybe is. I don't know if that's quite the right word, but just seeing how much a little change can make a difference. Like. Like what you just said about rotation. Okay. Getting in the right posture. A lot of times I've seen, hey, I did clear my left side a little bit better on that shot. I wasn't. What I was trying to do, but I did a better job of it because I was rotating instead of just, you know, kind of kind of stalling out mid swing. So don't underestimate the value of those simple little fundamentals. And then even, you know, sometimes when you're in the right posture, it can throw off your alignment or it can. It can. It changes every. It. Whether it throws it off or not, it's changing your. The rest of your setup. Right. If I'm used to sitting up like this, and now I move my shoulders back, my hands came back, my arms came back, everything kind of. Kind of moved with that. [00:43:28] Speaker B: Well, intention is an interesting topic too, because everything's a balance, and everything has to have a purpose. There can be too much tension. There can be not enough tension. Right. Like, we need tension in our structures, cables, steel, to hold things up. There has to be enough tension in order to maintain stability. Yet too much tension causes things to break, snap. Right? So there's a tension level. Same thing with winding up. I keep talking about this coiling in the backswing so that you can then let it go. But if you don't build up the right coil tension, you can't. You have nothing to let go. So now you have to manufacture something in the downswing, which Timing, fatigue, how fast are you doing it versus setting it and letting it go like a rubber band. It's all related, but I was gonna say I had this young guy that I started working with. He's a recent alumni of NC State, and he wanted to start working with Me. So we had our first lesson last week, Friday. And amazing. This is not a brag or anything, but it was amazing what can happen when the student and the instructor are speaking language they both understand. Yeah, I was able to accomplish so much with this guy and 50 minutes that you would have thought the person who came to me and the person left were two completely different people. And a lot of it had to do with the setup. First, he'd never had any lessons, he'd never had any instruction, hadn't had anything to work with. Went down the YouTube rabbit hole, realized this was not getting him anywhere. Too many swing thoughts, too many swing changes, not knowing what's beneficial, what's not. And it comes to me, classic golfer who's never had a lesson or never had any way to look at things because it's so hard to know what to look for for if you don't know what you look for and how to identify. Classic crosstub position. Feet pointed right at the target, shoulders pointed left of the target. Club face pointed at the target. So he's an X before he's even started. Swings back, no injuries, plenty of speed, long arms. Good looking kid, right? And then he swings over the top and he can't clear his weight to his left side. And he hits massive pulls or massive slices. First thing we did, explained to him, his alignment, how important that was to get everything in a good operational starting position. Instantly, the over at the top is gone. Instantly, he can clear his way to the left side. And we talked about coiling right, not trying to. It's like I'm trying to fire my hips, I'm trying to get my hands down. I'm trying to hit down the ball, this on the other. And I was like, you're trying to do too much. You need to set yourself up in a good position and then let it out. And I Kid, you know, this kid just started. Dead straight, dead dead straight. Slight fade, slight fade. And we just worked on some basic flow drills and some step, you know, kinematic sequence. Some this, that and the other. And I said, your job is not to do anything else after you got to here. Your job is to let it go. And I. I mean, I was like, kid, you just went from a 90s to an 80s shooter. Like over 50 minutes if you do nothing else but hit these. 75% for golf swings. [00:46:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:15] Speaker B: I mean, it was insane how good the kid was hit again. [00:46:18] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:19] Speaker B: You know, yeah. And it's cool, but you gotta have someone to help you. Otherwise you're just Spinning your wheels, chasing. [00:46:26] Speaker C: Yeah, it's crazy to piggyback to me. Like if you're just some. I talked to my guys every day. They say they complain about the same things, you know, all the time in the gym. They're. But they're playing the next day, right? They just play 18. They're gonna play the next day. I'm like, you know, when's the last time you went and practiced your putting? When was the last time you went to the range and when's the last time you had a lesson? Just a half hour lesson. And you know, I don't know if they just, they just like complaining about the same thing all the time. But you know, as a guy that I see them every week and I ask them how they're doing, you know, and I think if you hear the same things over and over, you're like, well, what are you doing different? You know, I'm. We're all like, I'm thinking performance. Okay, what are you doing different? So that's just. The barrier is to get from. They're frustrated. But. Okay, what's your game plan? Well, I'm playing 18 tomorrow. [00:47:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:19] Speaker A: Tomorrow things are going to be better. [00:47:22] Speaker B: Going back to their car and their racing analogy. Right. Okay. If, let's say we've got our car tuned to set up and run in this temperature track, the track is this temperature. Well, then it's dropped 15 degrees, it's colder. They're going to adjust the tire. They're going to let pressure out of the tire so that they can hook and not just spin. [00:47:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:47:39] Speaker B: If they don't, if they just keep gassing it and they get mad that they're still running nines and not eights, you know, they're not done anything different. It's the same thing. Exactly to you. [00:47:49] Speaker A: Yeah. Definition of insanity's doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results. But on the grip stuff, and this gets slightly into my reason for asking, this gets into technique. I guess we don't have to get into it, but when is there any utility. Are there different types of lifts that you should do to exercise different parts of the grip? Like for example. What. I don't know if there is a necessity for me to literally strengthen my pinky and ring finger. It does seem that would help me to hold that a little bit better. But I don't know if that's actually practical. But are there reasons to do different lifts to strengthen different parts of your arms? Because I did notice when I even the overhead carry. Okay. If I Hold it this way. It's a little different sensation than if I turn it 90 degrees and have it this way. Right. So it's, it's working different parts of the muscle. [00:48:37] Speaker C: If you lock your elbow, it's going to feel. This is going to feel different than this. [00:48:44] Speaker A: Yeah, See, that's been. I've been trying to keep it locked, but I struggle to because it keeps, you know, so it is more comfortable to keep it down here. That's right, that's it. So I try to keep it as locked as I can. But I mean, should you. How many different variations of this, of these things could you be doing? Or is it just a matter of just building overall strength? [00:49:02] Speaker C: Yeah, you know, I Learned early on, 20 plus years ago, just the term, change the angle, change the exercise. And exactly what you're saying with the farmers carry with a dumbbell over your head. Change the angle, you just change the exercise. It's just a feeling. And that's what I do all the time in the gym. You know, you don't want to do the same thing over and over again. And that's the constant challenge in the gym. [00:49:30] Speaker A: Right. [00:49:30] Speaker C: Is how can I make it more stimulated, you know, brain and body connection and make it more stimulating. And sometimes it's just by changing the grip. Palm down, palm up, thumb up, thumb down when we're pulling. But, you know, working on grip pulling exercises, right. You gotta hold it, you know, like you said, the farmer's carry, where you're holding away. Yeah, yeah. I think pulling exercises you're gonna work on, on the grip for sure. And I think guys like to push more than they like to pull. But going back to posture, just to keep it simple. For every pushing exercise you do, I think the amateur should do two pulling exercises. Because if you're just pushing, pushing, pushing, we're talking about the rounded shoulders, we're talking about bad posture. So you're just reinforcing bad posture. We joke sometimes, like, Monday is national chest day at the gym. Again, everybody wants to start with chest day. And then, you know, I'll do legs on Friday if I get to it. [00:50:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:50:35] Speaker C: But, yeah, you know, people ask me all the time, what's the right exercises, and I obviously do things that you enjoy, but, you know, if you're in the gym, try to pull more than you push. You know, you want to create, you want to create. You want to put your body in a new position, you want to train it in a new body position. You don't want to reinforce the bad posture. You want to create new, what we call movement patterns, you know, so. [00:51:03] Speaker B: Yeah, 100% agree. 100%. I remember, I'll never forget this. Went to the gym and I saw this guy that I used to work with at the restaurant. The kid looked like all he ever trained is chess. And that's all he ever trained. And he looked deformed. He looked deformed, yeah. He just looked terrible and to your exact point. Right. Okay. Even from a vanity standpoint, I'm not moving, I'm just standing up. From a vanity standpoint, I could do no chest, right. And just work on my back. And now my chest and my shoulders, everything looks broader. Or I can do I get a very strong, thick chest. But if you're like this, you can't even tell. It doesn't look like you have strong chest. [00:51:38] Speaker A: It's funny when I just walk around with good posture, I look. Except that it shows my belly more, you know, but. But it. You look like you've got a broader chest. You look like you're more in shape. You just have good posture and it. [00:51:50] Speaker B: Helps your personality, it helps your confidence, it helps your swagger, it helps everything, right? Like they say, if you can't or fake it till you make it right, well, attitude and your brain posture, your posture of your brain, your posture of your thoughts is an awesome thing. [00:52:05] Speaker A: I've never heard the two to one thing though. That's interesting. Two to one, pushing versus pulling. Just for clarification, make sure that listeners who may not be big into the gym understand the difference in that. Because I know I did the P90X one time. They had a push pull day where you do push ups and pull ups and rows and all. But if you think about a push up and a row are the exact same motion, but one is pushing the weight away from you and one's pulling it towards you. Pull up versus a shoulder press is the same motion, but one's pushing it away, one's pulling. [00:52:33] Speaker C: So yeah, so it's really tough for people that work out of the house because people just have the floor, they just do push ups, right? Not many people can do pull ups. They hook up a bar in their doorway. So not many people are working on pull ups. So a lot of times you have to go to the gym and use a cable, a bar hooked to a cable over your head and pull. Or if you have dumbbells, you know, you have to lean, lean forward and do a, you know, one arm rows or whatnot. But yeah, it's tough to work on pulling exercises out of the house because we. You just don't have. You need some type of machine or to practice your pulling consistently. So yeah, it's just being aware of that. You know, if you have a gym to go to. But yeah, two to one pull the push. [00:53:20] Speaker B: Two pieces of equipment that are fantastic if you only can work out at home. Very small investment. You get one of those over the door hanging rope adjustment systems we had. I have one, it's called a trx. Everybody has an off version. You can take it with you when you travel. Right. Throw it over the door, it anchors and you can lean back for more resistance and do your rows. You can start off up, you can do one arm, you can do two arm and then bands. You hook a band around the door or whatever and you can start off for most of it who aren't like, yeah, fit, fit, it's at least something. Or just get some light dumbbells and start with your rows that way. But yeah, you have to do something. You ever do the ones with the shoulder blades where you lay on your back and you squeeze the shoulder blades, Your elbows in the ground? [00:53:59] Speaker C: Sure. [00:54:00] Speaker B: That's another one too. No equipment needed. Yeah, good one. [00:54:03] Speaker A: For the most part though, I can't think of a. A push pull variation on like your, your big leg muscles, your squats. You can, you can either. You can't stand in a squat position and pull the weight towards you. Right. [00:54:15] Speaker B: Deadlifts, RDls, anything that you're lengthening the hamstring and then. [00:54:19] Speaker A: Okay, gotcha. So there is, there are variations, I guess, even with the lower body too. Okay. [00:54:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:24] Speaker C: Steps, step up. Lunges. You can do lunges in multiple directions. Single leg squats off a chair or a bench. Body weight squats. Putting a band around your knees. I mean, yeah, we could, we could go on and on. [00:54:43] Speaker A: So there are some things you can do with it, but. Okay, gotcha. [00:54:46] Speaker C: It doesn't require a lot of weight. Yeah, you can get creative. [00:54:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:54:50] Speaker B: The worst monster walks with the band around your knees. That Kelly. Yeah. [00:54:55] Speaker A: You used to make me do those. [00:54:56] Speaker C: Once in a while. [00:54:56] Speaker A: Those were. Those were rough. [00:54:58] Speaker B: Very underdeveloped. [00:54:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:55:00] Speaker C: Yeah. There's nothing better than giving a guy like bands around his ankles or knees. And they're like, why are you giving me these? And then he's like, well, I just need you to walk sideways for 45 seconds. And then they're like crying. Yep, that's the best. Like, I want to squat, you know? [00:55:18] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:55:19] Speaker C: £50. [00:55:20] Speaker A: That's what help you do that. [00:55:21] Speaker B: Yeah. Stabilizers so. [00:55:23] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think we're. We're not quite as long on this one as we have been, but did you have to go at three? Okay, gotcha. [00:55:31] Speaker C: Hashtag kids. [00:55:32] Speaker A: All right, well, we'll wrap it there, but I will plug. So it's not officially. Well, it's out there, I guess. So I'll plug the YouTube channel now. We got to get more content on there. But if you are listening to the podcast, check us out on YouTube. We have some additional video resources and things like that where Mike and Tony put some. Some drills together and. And can demonstrate a little more. It's kind of hard to demonstrate some of this stuff verbally, but we've got some videos. It's YouTube at the best podcast ever. So you can check us out there. Like us, subscribe us, do all that. If you're listening to the show, also rate it, like it, follow it, comment on it, whatever. Like that, tell people about it. Now that we know what it's called. Took us a little while to settle in on a name. And we're also accepting other nominations for names if anybody wants to thr ideas at us. Well, you can. You can email those to Tony or Mike. Don't bother me with them. But anyway. Well, thanks, guys. Always fun. See y'. All. [00:56:24] Speaker C: See ya later. [00:56:28] Speaker A: I was telling him. Well, I texted you that Sully said sorry once the. Once we start recording, I brain. My brain freezes sometimes. That's why I don't do like the big four formal. Like now we're starting things like, I usually just like, hit record. And then we start talking. We'll figure out the rest of the interesting. Thank you. That's the problem. I don't think we can live up to it. If I thought we could live up to it, it'd be different. [00:56:55] Speaker B: And you reach for the stars and make it to the moon, right?