Practicing Club Speed with Discipline

[00:00:00] Speaker A: You have to be disciplined, like I said, on both sides. You can't just completely neglect speed. If you want to swing fast, I mean, you got to practice that part of it. But there has to be, you know, intentionality behind it or ever how you want to phrase that. And it has to be controlled. And I'm really bad to, you know, I'll have days that don't mean I don't think they're speed days. Until my warm up session, I'm like, oh, I'm swinging fast today. It's speed day. [00:00:25] Speaker B: Yay. [00:00:25] Speaker A: You know, canceled speed day because I got into it, I wasn't playing good. I was like, never mind. Not speed day today. What about Texas? [00:00:38] Speaker B: Thank you. [00:00:39] Speaker A: I love Texas. [00:00:40] Speaker C: No state income tax. That's about the only thing that's cool about it. Yeah. [00:00:45] Speaker A: All right, guys, well, let's, let's get going since we're, you know, 15 minutes early to be 20 minutes late. Technical challenges. Welcome to the best golf podcast ever. If you've never been here before, you are in for a real treat or you're in for something. I don't know. You're in. You're in for the best golf podcast ever is what you're in for. Tony Roselli, PGA Teaching Professional. Mike Hendricks, TPI Certified Trainer. I'm Garrett Lill. I just do podcasting and play a bunch of golf. So I'm, I'm good at talking and running my mouth. I, I want to start with this. So we've, I want to, I want to get a quick early plug in. Statistically speaking, there's like a 50, 50 chance whether you're watching us on YouTube or listening to us on one of the, the, the podcast directories, Spotify, Apple podcasts, anything like that. So if you are listening, I would encourage you to check out our YouTube channel. YouTube @bestgolf podcast ever. We've been doing, getting a couple videos out per week and I've got. Mike and I recorded some stuff in the gym last week. Tony and I got some golf drills that are recorded. I had a really good time recording those. I think the videos are going to be really cool when we get those out. So if you enjoy the conversations and would like to get a little bit more behind the scenes, check out the YouTube channel. It's been, been pretty cool. Mike. I did not plan on being tired after our workout though. That was supposed to be just videoing some stuff, some quick demos. You wore me out that day and my hip was killing me the next day and I, it was, it was not what I had signed up for. And, and it wasn't really, I mean it's not like you, it was a real full workout. I'm just that, you know, out of shape. [00:02:20] Speaker B: But I took you through on my 80 year old client Suzanne's base, base mobility workout. I let her know that you were really worn out afterwards. [00:02:32] Speaker A: That was, I believe it, sadly, but I did not, I didn't realize how tight I was in my hips until shortly after that. We talked about this when we were, when we were going through the soft tissue stuff and you had me do the foam roller on the hip. I mean, even on your soft foam roller, laying on my hip feels like stabbing me right in the hip bone with a knife. And the next day I was trick or treating with my kids. And I swear it hurt worse after the foam roll. I don't know what we did to aggravate it, but it was like I could just, it would have just like a throbbing pain even if I wasn't touching it, but have a lot of tightness in that, I guess. Is that the tfl? It's like the, it's whatever muscle it is that's like right on the hip bone or just slightly below it. Is that the TFL muscle? [00:03:17] Speaker B: Well, I, I, I didn't, you'll have to point to it next time I see you exactly where the, where the discomfort was. But my first thought is listen to you talk. You know, when you start foam rolling or, or any type of massage, you know, we're, we're opening up new ranges of motion. Okay. And so now you start doing some rotation in the hip. Even the basic stuff we did, you're putting your body in a range of motion that it's not used to being. So it's tired, it's probably going to be sore. So I would just say, yeah, be, be, be mindful of that. So once we do that soft tissue and we open you up to more ranges of motion that you're not used to, that's when, you know, you and I, next time we get together in the gym, we'll do some like isometrics just holding the contraction in those new ranges. Because the last thing I want to do is get you hurt. But that's my first thought of listening to you is okay, we, we've created you some more ranges of motion and so there's, yeah, you're going to be sore. I'm not surprised. [00:04:16] Speaker A: Hopefully it's creating some more range of motion, but it's definitely helping me to identify some. Well, I am officially, by the way, Tony, I am 100 fully immersed in a total technical rabbit hole at this point. The whole spine thing that we got into last time, that. That took me through the rest of pretty much last week, testing every single possible combination of ways I could bend my spine, and not a single one of them would solve all of my problems. If I did a little bit too much of this, it would fix this problem, but. Cause that problem. Fix that problem, I'd make this problem worse. And I finally, I think, arrived at the fact that I was not. Is my pelvis really. That is a more core root of the issue. I didn't realize, I guess, that I pretty much stick my butt out the whole swing. I don't ever really tuck my pelvis. So I've been trying to work on getting that in a better position. But your pelvis touches. It's the literal center of your swing. So when you start changing things with your pelvis now, it's going to throw. That's going to change. All things being equal, what your legs do, what your torso does, what your shoulders do. So I'm officially in a complete rabbit hole with that. And then when you combine that with the stuff at the gym, it's like, well, some of this stuff is probably because my hips are a little bit tight, so I'm trying to work that out. But thank God it's wintertime, and I'm not playing anything important right now. We talk about this, you know, wintertime's time to make big changes. So if you're going to get into a rabbit hole, I guess now is as good a time as any, but there you go. I didn't. I didn't mean to, and I knew I was going to, and I was trying my best to guard against it, and I still ended up in. In the middle of one. I don't know. I don't think either of y' all could have seen that coming, but it was. It was a shocker for me. [00:05:53] Speaker C: Never. [00:05:53] Speaker B: I think we all saw it coming. [00:05:55] Speaker A: No, I mean, I'm usually so put. [00:05:57] Speaker C: Together as soon as Garrett starts saying, I saw this athletic motion golf video, and then I saw this athletic motion golf video, and I'm like, these are highly technical videos. [00:06:05] Speaker A: We're gonna get there. We're gonna get to them. Yeah. [00:06:08] Speaker C: Here we go. Here we go. Great stuff. [00:06:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:06:12] Speaker B: I mean, you group texted us about, like, how does the bicep come into play? [00:06:17] Speaker A: And I'm like, no, no, no, you. [00:06:18] Speaker B: You don't. [00:06:19] Speaker A: You're not reading my text. Things. It was not that. Man, I am going to quit texting you on Fridays when you're unfiltered. Man, you are. You're wrong. Just straight me. I thought it was a fair question, you know, so here's. Here's what prompted that text. So I. I've said I'd like to talk on the next show about which muscles are. And I don't even know how to. What the. The technical word would be. But some of your muscles, if. Are going to work almost directly opposite of one another. If you flex your bicep, you have to stretch your tricep. That's the only way to do it, and vice versa. Then there are other muscles that are 100% not related whatsoever. What I do with my right wrist has nothing to do with my left quadricep or whatever. Like, they're completely independent of each other, but then in the middle. That's what I really wanted to focus on here is because I have a. When you tell me to. If I try to extend my hips, I usually don't extend my hips. I extend my back instead. And if I try to flex my spine, all I end up really doing is sticking my butt out or doing something. So those two things. For a little bit, I was kind of just testing myself in the living room here. Like, can I flex my. Can I go into C posture or flex my glutes or extend my hips, whatever you want to call that, and bend my spine independent of that. And you can. You can. I can tuck my. I can tuck my pelvis up underneath my spine and bend my spine back or bend it forward. I can bend it left and right. It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with what I'm doing with my hips, but for whatever reason, when I try to do something with my hips, it affects my spine. So there are some groups of muscles that I would imagine you've got to really pay close attention to. And when, like, Tony, when you're working with somebody and you say, tell them to get into this position, and you might be intending for them to use one muscle to do that, but they use the. The wrong muscle or they do so they're. They're using the wrong body part of the wrong muscle to create that feeling. What are some. Is this just me thing? Or are there other people that use one muscle intending to use a different one? Every time y' all get quiet, it's. It's like it really is just me. It really is just a me thing. [00:08:27] Speaker C: I'm just trying to understand the. The Concept of the question first before I try to answer it anywhere in there. [00:08:37] Speaker A: All right, let's say look. Look at it this way, okay? If I'm. One of the problems that I have in. In my swing is that I am way too upright at impact. My. My shoulders are too high, my spine is straight up and down. It's not, you know, kind of arched over the ball at all. That could be a side bend thing. It could be a. An arching of the back thing. It can be a hips thing. It can be. There's a lot of different. So if you tell me to get more, you know, I call it smothering the ball. But if it's. If you. If you tell me to get into, like, a. More of an. Get more over the ball at impact, I can do that by slouching my shoulders. I can do that by kind of tucking my abs in and flexing my spine forward. I can do that by sticking my butt out and tilting my pelvis forward. There's a lot of different ways I can accomplish that. [00:09:19] Speaker B: Look. [00:09:20] Speaker A: Or that movement. Whatever. But even if you tell me, like, when I, you know, we had the episode we talked about activating the glutes, when I try to activate the glutes, I don't activate my glutes at all. All I do is bend my back or extend my back, you know? Yeah. That's not, you know, so it's. I don't know if that's muscle confusion or what. But what is. What are some. Is that a real thing? I mean, is that something that's common for golfers to think that they're using one muscle or contracting one muscle, but they're really contracting a different one? [00:09:51] Speaker C: Well, yeah. I mean, if. If we look at just life in general, I think I'm doing a great job of abc. And then you get fired, right? Like. Well, there's a. There's a reality and then there's a. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, there's. There's a. Yeah, there's perception, then there's reality, of course. Or look at. We've talked a lot about proprioception and how far someone takes a club back. What their intention is, what they think they're doing versus what they're actually doing. So, yeah, I. It definitely. It definitely happens. I think the thing I'm. I'm. The thing that concerns me is not so much whether you're activating your glutes or you're doing this, that, and the other. I mean, obviously that's important, but my question is how much is that detracting from the overall goal of the game of golf, which is put the ball in the hole in as few strokes as possible? Yeah, right. So we talk about these rabbit holes and everything, and, you know, we talk about, like, golfers who have had great careers, and then they have one bad season, and then they go and try to overhaul their swing, and you never hear from them again on the PGA or the lp LPGA Tour. So I empathize with Garrett because I was. I've been where he is. Mine was a slightly different impetus, or mine was a slightly different intentionality behind it. I went down all these rabbit holes because I wanted to understand from a myriad of different perspectives how and why people move the way they move with the golf club in their. And so I studied a lot of different. I mean, obviously, all the way from Ben Hogan to the golfing machine to Mo Norman to Mike Austin to, you know, stack and tilt everything. Like, I looked into everything, you know, 10, 15 years ago just because I wanted to. I have that scientific brain, right? I just. I love knowledge, and I love understanding stuff. I want to really figure it out. But at the end of the day, the reason I can do so many different golf swings is because I studied so many different golf swings. But does that mean my handicap's gonna improve? No. Right? Like, it doesn't mean I'm gonna play the actual game better. Do you understand what I'm saying? [00:11:48] Speaker A: Yeah. And I. And I think to some extent, that's the other day when I was doing all the different spine stuff. I mean, I. I literally did test several different things on video, usually a lot of times just for one or two swings of. Okay, what. What happens if I try to feel like I'm extending my back and tilting to the left? And what does that look like compared to extending my back and tilting to the right? And it wasn't so much that. I mean, I did a. I hit a lot of golf. Not a lot, but there were a lot of shots that I hit or swings that I took that I fully knew were not correct. But I wanted to see what that way looked like on video. So that when I'm looking back at a letter, say, I think. I think that's what causes this in this particular, you know, situation. And I think that. And I'm going to guard very carefully in the way I say this. I think that can be okay, depending on your personality makeup. I think that may not be a good thing for me, because next thing I know, I'm so obsessed with the why behind things. And I think sometimes I need to quit worrying about why and just worry that this is what you need to do. Don't worry about why. Just do it. [00:12:48] Speaker C: Yeah. So, I mean, I could give you my copy of the golfing machine textbook, and you could build, literally, a golfing machine robot out of all the different components and pieces and options that are there. Good luck trying to figure out how to take a golf swing after that. Right. Like, because there's just too much information. There's just too much going on. So, again, I think there's. I think there's a lot of setup things we can do to put ourselves in the best position. Then after that, you have to have a big picture concept of what it is you're trying to accomplish. And then swing, hit the ball, see what happens, find the hit again, make a game plan from there. There is a space for the, the scientific approach. There's a space for the, the rabbit holes. But I think at the end of the day, when it comes time to tee it up and they call your name and you hit that first tee shot, we have to be free of those thoughts. So that's the only thing I would say for you, is I just, I, I. You know, when I'm. When I'm thinking about going to the off season and what is it that everybody's going to do to try to get better, I would just be a little hesitant with continuing to dive deep into the technicalities of everything and trying to figure out, what's that? If I do A, how does it relate to B, has C? It all makes. I mean, it's all important. Don't get me wrong. I just. I just wonder if you're not gonna spend the winter time spinning your wheels versus making progress. Make sense? [00:14:05] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. Last Thursday, I think it was. I mean, I. I was so. I was. I was like. I feel like I was this close. I mean, I was hitting the ball so well. [00:14:16] Speaker C: Sure, yeah, I did say that. [00:14:20] Speaker A: Yeah, I said that a couple weeks ago. But no, I was like. I felt like I was this close to being where I wanted it to be. I was, I was hitting the ball really hard. I was making a very consistent swing, and I just had. There was this one tiny little tweak that I couldn't get out of my way with. Because, Tony, you've been. You've seen me hit enough balls to know that, you know, I come way inside, and then at the last second, I kind of close the club face up. And the difference in me blocking it Way right and snap, hooking it left is just how well I time that. That late. That last second catch up. Okay. I don't know that I have hit a ball that has started right at the target line in two weeks, because now everything is starting lift and then hooking more. So I'm still. I'm getting in a better body position, but I'm still doing, you know, I'm still giving it that release, and I'm just closing everything off. So I knew. I think I even said this on the last one we did. I knew that I was going to start doing that. That was, you know, if you're going to start. If you're going to make this big of a change in this way, you know you're going to do that, and then you just kind of have to work your way out of it a little bit. Where I didn't mean to get stuck quite in this deep of a rabbit hole with it. And I don't think that I'm. Today I was hitting some balls, and I was just trying to get back down to something, you know, a little bit simpler. And you kind of got two different. I'm well aware, and I want to. I'm curious, Tony, your. Your approach to this. I guess I can't unlearn what I've learned. Right. Like I did. I can't make myself suddenly forget what I've discovered in my swing here. [00:15:47] Speaker C: Right. [00:15:47] Speaker A: Yeah. So I know I need to work on some things with my body, and I know that from doing that, it's going to cause me to need to do things different with my arms, because I've been doing things wrong with my arms to make up for the fact that I was doing things wrong with my body. Now I am well aware that I'm never going to hit the ball very well trying to think about 87 different things in a certain order. So I know not to do that. I've played around with two different approaches to this. When I do want to try to make a change, and we've talked about at least one of these. Sometimes I'll spend one ball working on my lower body, then upper body, upper body, lower body, or maybe a block of five balls in each. And then I try to always make sure that I mix into that every, you know, third or so to just go back to rhythm and just try to just hit a golf ball and not think too much about it. Then there's another thing, and you mentioned athletic motion, and I don't mean to just pay homage to them on every Show. But they do have some good stuff. They use the term the other day that I, I want to steal. They, they were talking about a guy who was having a hard time rotating similar type problems to what I have. And they were saying one of the reasons he's not rotating is because he doesn't have a need to rotate. If he does rotate, he's going to hit terrible shots if he can even make contact with the ball. So we, they use the term we need to create the need to rotate, basically by getting his arms doing the right thing. You put yourself in a position where you have to rotate to hit a good shot. And you know, I've experienced that before. And so the opposite extreme of it is, okay, what if I just said, okay, I'm going to fully commit to doing what I need to do with my arms and I'm going to hit it off the planet, lift until I figure out how to get my body out of the way, or I'm going to fully commit to doing what I need to do with my body and fully commit to hitting, you know, whatever that miss looks like until my arms get in the right position. Because your athleticism is going to kick in at some point, right? And either way, you don't need to be trying to think about both things at one time. So do you, you know, maybe if, if option A is I'm going to hit, I'm going to go back and forth, focus on this, focus on that, focus on this, focus on that and hope that the two blend together over time. Or do you just maybe stick to one half of it and say, I'm going to fully commit to this and let the other half of my body adjust itself? Because it's gonna adjust eventually. That's how you get to start with. [00:17:57] Speaker C: Yeah. So I mean, yeah, there's, I think the brain, we, we overestimate and underestimate our brain's capacity to do things at some point in time. Some people don't give themselves enough credit, some people give themselves way too much credit. But I do think in order to truly ingrain something and truly get it to where the motor learning takes place and it becomes automatic, right? You move these phases of learning, I've got to think about it, then it becomes automatic, right? We look at tried and true methods from a variety of different disciplines. When you're first learning to play a musical instrument, you learn those basic scales and you do it until you can't not do it, right? Until it becomes automatic. So for you, I think that the challenge for you Is you want to fix it all right away. You want to work on it all right away. Let me spend two balls doing this and then bounce over to this one. Two balls doing this. Let me spend two balls doing this, and then you back and forth. I mean, I was literally today at work, I went into one of the hitting studios, and Chase was in there working with one of his students. And I was like, hey, man, I got to come in here and grab something. So I was in there, and I was listening to them work through some stuff while I was looking for something in a closet. And he was like, I just need you to be so mentally focused and so mentally tuned in to just making this one little thing. He's like, like, all of your focus and imagination and imagery just needs to be right here, and that's it until you get it right. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? Sure. There's a bunch of other things we could work on, but, like, he's like, I just need you tuned in, locked in on this one thing. So that's one way to go about it. Another way to go about it is to say, what idea? What big picture concept can I use? Can I. Can I focus on that? I create in my head that gets me to where the most of what I want to happen happens, right? So, again, I think for you, you just got to figure out, what is that picture in your brain? What is that cue? And it's not a magic bullet, but what is that one thing that when I say I intend to do this hands high over my lead shoulder in the finish, and when I film it and I look at solves most of what I intend to happen, Right? Because again, I guarantee you, when those pros are up there hitting that tee shot on 17 at Sawgrass or whatever, they're not thinking about, I spent two balls doing this and two balls doing this, they're saying, that's my target. That's the shot I want to hit. They rehearse the move that gets them there, and then they walk into and hit it, right? So I do think there are big picture concepts we can. And it's dependent on each individual person, each individual golfer, what works best for them as far as the idea, the concept in their brain that produces the result they want. Okay? So you just got to figure out what it is for you that gets all the stuff you've learned. How do we distill it down to the thing that gets you to produce what you want? [00:20:43] Speaker A: Well, I think that's kind of. I get what you're saying on that. And I. And that's a very personalized to each individual's. I'm not sure that if I gave my explanation of what that feels like to me, it would make any sense to y', all, right? Or anybody else. It's just the way my mind processes that. The two things right now that I've noticed, number one, that arching my back and my setup and sticking my butt out, that's a big problem. And that's something that's causing, I think, a lot of it. And the good thing about that is the pre shot setup thing, that's not something I have to think about. It's just get in a good position to start with. That's something I can practice all. I'm doing that a lot right now, just standing in front of a mirror at the house and looking at my posture. [00:21:18] Speaker B: As far as you're saying you're staying in a mirror and looking at your butt. Basically, what he just said, lower back. [00:21:25] Speaker A: But yes. I mean, I've gotten so technical between. [00:21:31] Speaker C: The upper glute and the low back, so it's all technically right there. [00:21:34] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [00:21:35] Speaker B: Do you like what you see? Are you liking what you're seeing right now, Garrett? [00:21:38] Speaker A: Well, it's hard to tell if my posture is any good or not because my belly's so big. It's getting in the way. [00:21:44] Speaker C: Get him some. Some better fitting clothes, too, so you can actually see what's going on there. He's got to get out of this baggy stuff. [00:21:49] Speaker A: Yes, that's why we're baggy stuff. That's right. That's why I wear the baggy stuff. So you can't see what's going on. But as far as a swing cue goes, I think for me, that is the. In my mind, I say, smother the ball. And when I try to feel like I'm smothering the ball, whatever that means, I don't even think I can tell you what I'm doing when I say smother the ball. In fact, there was a video. I don't even know if I ever released this video, but there was a video where I was talking about that and saying, smother the ball. And I actually looked at the camera, was like, tony, when you watch this, I want you to look at this and tell me what the heck I'm doing when I say smother the ball. Because this. I hit the ball great when I do this, but I don't know if that's something I need to do or Not. But that concept for me gets me. It. It just checks those boxes I'm looking for. But I also usually hit it 80 miles left when I try to smoke the ball if I don't really concentrate on doing something different to. And a weird one for me is this. And this is pretty elementary, but I know that swinging lift helps to fight a hook. [00:22:43] Speaker B: Right? [00:22:43] Speaker A: But in my mind I don't want to swing more. Lift. And that's part of my problem is that I get to that about, I don't know, delivery or whatever. I'm not thinking about it. But when I get to that certain point in the swing, I'm just like, I just freeze all my rotation because I'm trying not to snap it. Lift. And in doing so, I increase my chance of hitting it. Lift. So anyway, I. I get what you're saying with that and I'm. I think that's what I'm trying to find. What is that one thing that catches most of what I'm working on and then let, you know, let the body kind of adjust the. The rest of the stuff out of it. [00:23:15] Speaker C: Well, you gotta swing free, right? You gotta swing free. Like you can't have these blocks in your head of. Well, don't do this. Right. Like, because you're saying like, I know if I swing more left that fights the hook, but I still don't want to. Right. So that then you're not really truly committed or free. You're not truly committed to it. There's still a mental block there. [00:23:35] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, it's funny too because one of my saving graces probably is that even though it's winter simulator golf doesn't have winter. Right. So we're just, we're in the middle of winter Lee or fall league right now. So I still have to turn that off long enough to play nine holes at least once a week. So I'm still having to make sure I don't get so far down that rabbit hole that I can't hit a decent golf shot. [00:23:55] Speaker C: No, I was going to ask about that. How are you doing with those weekly leagues? I haven't been getting any updates. [00:24:00] Speaker A: Yeah, so I'm of 1 2. I've won two out of five in a dog fight for first overall right now. Somebody popped up. We played a course last week. It was called Course of the Dead. It was like a Halloween themed haunted house style. I mean, absolutely. Hell on earth. No, it was not at all. I mean it was like all they were missing was the freaking windmill and the clown's mouth. And, but I mean, it was like a. I don't know how long it was. It was like the longest hole was like, it was a 410 yard par 5 on it. So I mean, it was ridiculously short, but it was also really tight. You had all kinds of goofy stuff, but I think I finished third in that. So I'm hanging, hanging right in there. But we have a fun course this week. It's. I don't know, I think the scores are going to be pretty low though. So I've not played my round yet, but I'm expecting you probably to shoot 31 or 2 to win this week. So I'm trying to make sure I'm. [00:24:55] Speaker B: I just hear you. [00:24:55] Speaker A: Go ahead. [00:24:56] Speaker B: You just came out of your mouth. I got to play to win. And so you're talking about working on your swing and focusing on this one thing and then you're saying, but I got to win. And so it's picking. Obviously we're competitive, we want to win, but like Tony has said at different times, being process oriented. And I think the more you can commit to figuring out if you're just going to play that I'm here to win, then you gotta, you gotta put all that other stuff on the back burner. But if you're like, hey, I'm gonna work on this and just see where it takes me today, maybe you do that with your practice rounds. But anyway, figure that figuring that out and then and kind of going from there. [00:25:45] Speaker A: But yeah, because we've. What I mean, I am pretty happy, I guess, with my. I'm getting better at this, put it that way. I'm not good at it by any means, but I try to practice with a specific purpose for that day. Okay? So I did. And I told Mike this earlier today. I wore myself out because I got to a point where I was like knocking down speed records almost every day for myself two or three, four days in a row. And I was just like, hell, yeah, I'm in. Like I'm swinging hard. And I just kept pushing harder and harder and harder and I was swinging fast and I was hitting it hard. But I got to a point there where I think it was last Thursday that I was sore and I was tired and I was just not swinging fast anymore and I was start. I kind of plateaued. I guess I was to a point where like three or four days in a row there, I just kind of hit the same high mark. I hadn't broke through it. So Friday, I was only in there for an hour. I Don't think I hit, I hit two drivers at the very end of the session, but they weren't only an hour. He says, well, you, I mean your sessions are an hour so you know, they don't break them into 30 minutes. But I, I was intentionally like three quarter speed all day long. And that's where I started to get into some of the technical stuff. But I, I tried to take off, didn't do anything Saturday, Sunday, tried to rest up a little bit. Today I was three quarters or today's Tuesday, yesterday and today I've been three quarter speed. And just because I've, I've kind of realized, okay, I've, I've gone a little too hard. And Mike, I told you earlier, man, I mean, there's a muscle that I'm not aware of what it is. And I know it's, it's. The only thing I know is that it's in a deep enough place that you aren't getting a foam roller to it. And it's been hurting me the last couple of days, so. [00:27:24] Speaker C: Well, but what I was going to tell you too was again, like, I think I mentioned this way back at the very beginning of the whole podcast thing, you were talking about gaining speed or whatnot and I, I mentioned you have to be careful with the speed training stuff. And again, we're not spring chickens anymore, right? Like you just hit 40 and you know if you're doing speed stuff, that is basically the equivalent, if you are swinging all out speed sessions, that is the equivalent of plyometrics that we used to do back in high school at our age. Now, like you need time to rest. It's not just the physical, it's also your nervous system. You are basically telling your body, max, max, max, max, max, max, max. And that the brain takes a toll, the nervous system takes a toll, everything takes a toll. So you, if you are going to do this just like we talk about in a lot of things, you need to have an actual plan in place. Just like weightlifting, right? You don't go max effort PRs every single time. You build up to it. You test and then you cycle back down and you keep going. There's always a seasonality and everything to this. So if you're gonna do that speed training and you wanna commit to that, fine. Say okay, on Wednesdays is speed day. It's middle of the week, it's hump day. I wanna see where I'm at. Then don't do it again, right? For a good three to four days, you got to Give your body rest. You got to give it time to chill out and recover. Otherwise you will, you will get slower because your brain says, f this I'm not doing it anymore. You know, like, I can't do it anymore. [00:28:47] Speaker B: Yeah, your body's saying, we're about to get injured. It's giving you feedback. I, I, this, I think this literally, guys, goes back to the very first podcast we did. We talked about recovery and preparation. So, yeah, listening to Tony talk, I'm thinking, okay, you're, you're redlining, you know, like the car. It's just. He's going, he's going, Max RPMs for three days in a row. What are you eating? How much water are you drinking? How much sleep are you getting? Because that's in my mind. It's like, you know, if you're not changing, if you're still having cheeseburgers, if you're drinking a beer, a couple beers, if you're staying up past 10 o' clock, and then you're, you know, whatever, whatever it is, you know, you're, you're not doing yourself any favors, and you're still asking your body to, you know, go. Max effort. So I would just to piggyback. What Tony's saying is. Yeah, pay attention to all those things and like, you know, what are you, how are you setting yourself up if you do want to go hard. Ish. The next very next day or the day after? [00:29:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:29:59] Speaker B: Because the last thing, the last thing you want to do is get hurt. That's the burden I feel sometimes in the gym. The last thing I want to do is get my golfers hurt because then they can't play. So your body's telling you something. My hip is hurting. My, my intercostal, my core is hurting. Okay, let's even take in a hot bath or an Epsom salt bath, you know, whatever. You know, whatever. [00:30:23] Speaker A: So, yeah, we talked about that in one of the. We definitely talked about that in one of the first episodes. And it's something that you have to be disciplined on both ends of the spectrum. Because I've gone. I'm so bad to float from one extreme to the next. January, February, every day was a speed day. I didn't know any better. I didn't think any better. I just went in there as hard as I could for two months straight, and I got to a similar feeling to where I am now, where it's like, even if I take two or three days off, there's a, there's something uncomfortable in my lower abdomen that I don't need to keep doing this. And I basically spent the next two or three months probably at three quarter ish feed something along those lines. You know, very controlled. And one of the problems that kind of came from that was by the end of the summer, whenever I did try to go hard, I didn't have any speed. I didn't. I mean, my high end, I was four or five miles an hour off of where it was. So somewhere in that process, I start to, you know, ramp speed back up. And to me, I'm still. I just want to throw this in there. I develop. I get so much more speed from the technical sequencing than I do the effort. I mean, I did a video on this. I think it's the most popular video so far as far as views and stuff go, where I talk about how you don't have to swing as hard as you can to max out your speed. So I'll do that and get really close to a new high or hit a new high, and then it's like, ooh, let me put a little bit more effort into that. And then you just keep pushing it and pushing it, and next thing you know, you've hit 50 balls in a row as hard as you can. And then you get to a point where your central nervous system is so taxed that even your best effort's not fast anymore. And now you're teaching your body how to not swing fast because you're, It's. You're. It's just not. You're working, you know, uphill. So you have to be disciplined, like I said on both sides. You can't just completely neglect speed. If you want to swing fast, I mean, you got to practice that part of it. But there has to be, you know, intentionality behind it or ever how you want to phrase that. And it has to be controlled. And I'm really bad to. You know, I'll have days that don't mean that I don't think they're speed days. Until my warmup session. I'm like, ooh, I'm swinging fast today. It's speed day. Yay. You know, canceled speed day because I got into it, I wasn't playing good. I was like, never mind. Not speed day today. Let's work on wedges. [00:32:44] Speaker C: I get it, man. When you got a sports car, I don't ever meet a curve or a straightaway that my foot isn't to the floor in my car. You know what I mean? So, yeah, as an aside, I did find out how tall third gear is and what Top speed is in a closed road in Mexico a few days ago. And let's just say it's, it's high, it's up there. But. It's up there. Yeah, but, but same thing with a car, right? Again, like once the engine's overheated, it's not going to get its full potential and its power. So again, it's all part of the process. And I think, Garrett, what you need to do, and I've mentioned this before, is you just need to literally either I'll write it for you, but you got to do it. But you literally need a, a discipline, structured practice routine. Because I know you're going to go to Sully's four days out of the week at least. Right. And then you didn't you just say you got another hour, you got the double membership or something like that. [00:33:35] Speaker A: So I found out the second membership's half. Yeah, I got double my hours. 51 bucks. Yeah, absolutely. [00:33:42] Speaker C: Oh, you can put a bigger supercharger on it. Yeah, let's just go ahead and throw it on there. [00:33:45] Speaker B: Why not? [00:33:46] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, but because I tell myself that gives me. See in my mind I'm saying, okay, now I'll still do my speed hour, but then I'll have an extra hour for wedges. But what happens in reality is I end up with two hours of speed training instead of just one. [00:34:02] Speaker C: Yeah. So. So, but I think, I think what you do this, you, you need structure, you need practice, dedicate. You've got the time, you've got the. Yeah, yeah, you've got the time, you've got the access with, with sullies and everything like that. Like the, the access and time are huge detractors to most people's improvement. Right. They don't have the facilities. Practice, you've got both. So I think what you need to do is you need to work on the discipline side of things to say, this is what I'm allowed to do during this time. Tony said, Mike said I'm not allowed to do anything else. And then you reward yourself for accomplishing, staying within the boundaries that have been set for you. And like I said, we can come up with all kinds of games. I just taught my, my level three teaching coaching class some more games to play today to assess skill progression and baseline and progression over time. I think you need things that will help you to focus your time and your energy versus just max out effort or see how far I can hit a seven iron or too deep in a technique work. And I will do you ask me and I will give you something. I will literally write you a plan, give you some games, and I just want you to do nothing but these games and. And focus on this for, like, the next two or three weeks. But you got to do it at the end of the day. You got to practice. You got to practice, and you got to promise or you gotta. You gotta. You gotta hold yourself accountable to it. Does that make sense? [00:35:16] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:35:17] Speaker C: I see him great up there. He's like, it ain't gonna happen. [00:35:20] Speaker A: Well, because I'm. I'm laughing to myself because it's one of the really cool side effects of doing this podcast, and we joked about in the beginning, is that I'm getting, you know, yes, I have access to facilities and time, but I also have access to knowledge. I don't even have the excuse that I don't know what to do. You guys are giving me a lot of great stuff that I'm. I'm just, you know, recording and editing, editing it. But that doesn't mean that the knowledge is still there. [00:35:40] Speaker B: Right? [00:35:41] Speaker A: So, yes, appreciate it. If you want to write that plan for me. I could also go back and listen to the first eight podcasts or nine podcasts, and I bet I could figure out how to do it myself. You know, there's no excuse. It is just as simple as this one. I don't need to sit here and think of, ooh, what are some creative games? And we recorded five videos on different ways you can practice, right. That are not just sitting there, hitting it as hard as you can. But it's funny, you know, Mike and I did the. The stuff in the gym last week, and I was like, boy, it would be really, you know, stupid and lazy of me to not be doing these. These stretches and these routines on a regular basis. So I have been doing the foam roller, especially on my hips, especially, but I've been focusing more on the hips with the foam roller and then also going through the, you know, open book, closed book, and the. The other two that we did for separation and. And one sort of piggyback question for both of you guys on this. There are a. Now that I kind of. I don't think I knew the difference between internal and external rotation of your hips until the last little bit as we've done some of these videos. I have figured out that's part of the. The pelvis stuff that I've figured out is that I don't know that I've ever internally rotated my hips. I've always externally rotated both directions, I think. And now That I have a little bit better understanding of what internal is and which muscles you use and all those types of things. I'm starting to notice that there are a lot of just things that I do every day, sitting around the house, whatever, that are promoting that wrong movement, that are tightening those hips and all those things. I sit around with my legs wide open and flared out all the time, just watching tv, whatever. And now that I'm noticing that stuff I'm picking up, I'm literally, as I'm sitting here talking to you guys, you can't see it, but I've got my knees together and my feet kind of like, wrapped around my chair from the outside, so I've got my legs internally rotated. I'm even trying to change the way I sleep at night. Like, the positions that I get in because I'm. I tend to curl up in the fetal position. Are some of those just because you've talked about the things that we do sitting at a desk and all these things that make us tight. So can't we reverse that to some extent if we know what we're doing and try to stretch without stretching in a way, or at least make sure we're not going the wrong direction? [00:37:49] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, I have these conversations all the time. You know, you got people that sit all day, and the first thing they come to the gym is they sit on a bike, you know, or, you know, they're sitting all day, and then they sleep in the fetal position. So they're constantly in this kind of seated position, whether they're, you know, whatever. Whatever they do. So they're just. You're reinforcing those movement patterns. I wonder, before. Before it escapes my mind here, I wanted to piggyback a little bit of our discussion about power. And, you know what. What Tony was saying, you know, when I do power stuff in the gym, you know, maybe I have guys, you know, rotating right to left, and then. And I'm having to move quick, you know, and they'll immediately want to flip around and start moving quickly the other way. And I'm like, hey, let's pause. Let's recover. Because, you know, when you're taking. You know, you're working on your speed and your power, and you're taking a massive hack as fast as you can, and then you grab a ball and you stick it back on the tee, and then five seconds later, what. And I think I would challenge you. You know, that has its value. Right? Just hit ball after ball after ball. But figure out a way on some of Your speed power days is to put the ball down, take your best swing, whatever it is, but then also take 30 seconds to 2 minutes and let your body recoup. And also your mind. You know, we all. You always. You put a ball, then you got to go chase it, right? That takes time, and then you gotta whack it again. So I would just want to challenge you when Tony's putting something together for you and when you're working on those speed power days, and Tony knows this by. By power powerlifting in the gym, you don't just power lift your max deadlift or your max chest, put it back on the rack and then immediately do it again, as many as you can. You have to recover. So that's my. My dude. [00:39:55] Speaker C: Yeah. When I was absolute. Absolutely. Yeah. When I was power lift training, I mean, my rest between sets was sometimes three minutes. You know, like you're literally. Because that's how taxing each rep is. It's not like you're Tony Orton P90X, where it's just, go, go, go, go, go. No, it's a different animal, right? Because you're at max, you're just. Yeah, it's a different animal. 100. [00:40:19] Speaker A: Well, yeah. And that's an easy thing not to. To. To not think about, I guess, when you're. Because hitting a golf ball hard doesn't feel like the same as, you know, maxing out a bench press. Right. It feels like I can do it again. And, And a lot of times I can get. It's not like I have a, you know, there's a point where I can say, okay, bam, now I've maxed out and I can't, you know, I need to start slowing down. A lot of times it's, you know, I didn't swing that one as well because I didn't get in the right position or I just didn't make as good a contact or I was a little bit off balance or my rhythm was off. But then you finally get one that like, yeah, I caught that. That's as good as I can swing a golf club. And it's two miles an hour slower than it was 20 balls ago. That's when you know, okay, I think we're, we're done here. So going into it with discipline on the front end to say, okay, I'm going to hit 10 balls or 20 ball, whatever the number is that, okay, this is what I'm going to dedicate to this part of it. And then just leaving it there. There's so many things that I know better than to do. I just don't do them. And. And then to your point, Mike, about playing, I mean I have tried on like I knew I did play a practice round today or started a practice round today at the end because I was so in my head with the swing stuff that the only way I could make myself just swing a golf club and is to go on the course and just try to play. So I played a few holes like that. But if I'm going to play my league ground, totally different process to get ready for that. You know, I'm going to go in and warm up and treat it like I'm going to play that day. And then if I'm done and I still have time and I want to do some technique work, then that's fine too. But yeah, I'm not, I did. I learned my lesson on that in the summertime I was in there for technique and working on technique and then I would try to immediately jump on the golf course and play the, the round and I, that I went on like a four week losing streak trying to do that. That. So I've, I've tried to, to be a little bit wiser about that. And then this may be a, it could be both question but on the power stuff, sequencing is so much more important than effort regardless. I mean that's everywhere. Everybody knows that. Right, right. That's. That's a pretty common, common thing. And one of the things going back to, you know, Tony, you did, did this as a drill one time, just the coil and release and just trying to feel like you build coil. One of the things that I've been trying to work on is that if I'm, if I am in the right setup position, I've got a lot better chance of being in a good position, let's say the top of my backswing. And then if I have a good transition by the time I get to the through my transition, hopefully I'm not trying to think about anything at that point. I really am trying to feel like I'm just building that tension in the right places on the way back and then letting it go. So is there even. Where's the balance in that right between. Okay, if we're really swinging effectively, we shouldn't have to put as much effort into it as we think we have to to get max power. On the other hand, yes, speed training is a thing. So. But, but honestly, like when I'm trying to swing hard, I'm really not thinking about it so much on the downswing as Much as it is, I'm trying to take the club away faster and give myself more recoil at the top. That's where the fast swings seem to come from. So is obviously speed training is important in training your system to do that. But doesn't that kind of contradict the whole idea that sequency is more important than effort anyway? [00:43:26] Speaker C: No, I don't think it contradicts it because I think at the end of the day, if you sequence it properly, you're going to get speed, but you're going to get efficient speed, right? So that's the thing is, right. I mean, you can generate speed a lot of different ways, but what is going to be the most efficient way to give the most. The least fatigue over 18 holes of golf, right? The. The best potential for lack of injury. I mean, there's a reason why, again, when you watch the PGA and the LPGA Tour players and you look at the longest hitters, aside from Bryson, they look pretty smooth and effortless because. Sequenced well, right. They're still putting in energy and effort into the system, but it looks fluid and it's, it's sequenced properly. So it looks rhythmatic and aesthetically pleasing. So, no, I think the two are hand in hand. I don't think they're completely mutually exclusive. I think they both contribute to one another. [00:44:21] Speaker B: My area of expertise isn't, you know, the necessary. The golf swing, but I'm. I'm thinking of it from my baseball background. So full disclosure, I think I was a lot like Garrett in the sense that I was a gym rat and I always wanted to finish. I was always like, one more, one more in the cage, right? Give me one more. I want to feel good about my swing before I jump out. And, you know, now having the benefit of wisdom and years on my side, it's like, I think that was. I was doing myself. I was. Wasn't doing myself any favors. And because life doesn't work that way. Playing golf doesn't work that way. You can't end, you can't always end on a good swing. I can't always end my at bat on, you know, on a good swing. I don't get do overs in the batter's box. You don't get do overs once the club, once the ball leaves the club. And I think the cha. A neat challenge for Garrett or the listeners is like, like you said earlier, Gary, I think, you know, give yourself, you got 10 swings to get it right. And regardless if that 10th swing, whatever it is you're working on, Whether it's your driver or your seven iron, you got to move on. And I think mentally it's tough, but I think that's where I like to coach guys up, is that's doing the hard work, is mentally moving on. Because if you don't. If you're like, I just got to keep going until I end on a good one, you're never going to get to those other irons. You're never going to get to your short game. You're never going to get to the putting. And everybody taught, you know. You know, the chipping and the putting. Right. That's it. So, anyway, that's. That is something that I wanted to share with you. Garrett is like, I. I feel you on different levels, and I. And I, like, I was the guy that was always in the cage, and I. When I started coaching, I was always like, stay in there. Stay in there. Let's send more. 10 more. Like, yeah, get out. You just got to get out. Next guy. And we'll. We'll circle back to it later. [00:46:26] Speaker A: Tony, have you had a chance to play any. We've not gotten an update on your game in. In the last little bit here. Have you been able to get out at all? [00:46:33] Speaker C: No real practice. I did play in the Tournament of Champions this weekend. I had gotten sick right before. I'm still recovering, so I didn't really play too well mentally. I wasn't really in it, and it was. It was kind of like a FedEx cup thing where really only a certain amount of people had a chance to win the overall, and it was stable for net, so. [00:46:56] Speaker A: Oh, wow. [00:46:57] Speaker C: Like, we. [00:46:57] Speaker A: Yeah, I can't even begin to process what that means. [00:47:00] Speaker C: Oh, God. Yeah. So, yeah, so basically, like, take, for example, you got. You got someone who's getting 10 strokes, and then they have three birdies on their own and four par, net birdies, you know, like, they're already getting a crap ton of points, and you're just like. You get. You got no strokes, and you're just like, well, I just hope to make. If I make. If you make two birdies on a round normally, that's a good day. Three birdies on a round is a great day. Right? So something for fun to play in. But I wasn't really in it from a physical sick standpoint and brain fog. But it was fine. It was. It was whatever. So, no, I haven't really been playing much, practicing much. I am going to get to go play tothill Farm. I've never played that one. I'm gonna Go play that one. On November 20, I'm taking my students, five of my students, to go play in the PGA University Championship next week. And just up north of Atlanta, I probably won't just take my sticks and it's going to be cold, but that'll be fun. Every year I get to do that, put on my coaching cap with them and have a team and a squad and, you know, so it'll be fun. But no, I haven't really been. Yeah, I haven't really been getting to play much. It's just busy season right now with work and everything. [00:48:13] Speaker A: I absolutely cannot wait to talk about Tothill Farm when you get back from there. [00:48:17] Speaker C: So have you played it? [00:48:18] Speaker A: We have to have. I played it twice. The first time I played it, I swore I would never play it again. And then a couple months or a year later, I got a call one day. The guy's like, we're going to play golf tomorrow at Tahoe Farms. You want to go? And I was like, no. He said, it's only 25 bucks. You have to. I was like, no, I'm not going. I swore I was never going back and he talked me into it and I went down there that time and I swore I would never go back again. And I have not been back again. And I absolutely despise that golf course in every way, shape or form. It shots. It's the real life. It's the real life version of the death at Canyon, whatever that death of the skull golf course was we played for Halloween. It's the real life version of it. There was one great. So there was. I'll tell you the. I think I was one under through 12, maybe. And number 13 was a par three, like maybe 125 yards. But the green is shaped like a. A spiral staircase. It's a. It's in the shape of a C. And each level, it's like a huge steep slope to the next level. And I think the pin was on the bottom level. So you cannot go long because there's. You're never going to stop it on these slopes. But. So I air a little bit on the short side and I don't know, I tried to hit 120 yard shot or whatever and it probably landed five, six feet short of the green. Shouldn't be a problem except there's a gigantic boulder six feet short of the green that it hits, that kicks it 80 yards left up into the crap. I end up in like an unplayable or should have been unplayable, but I didn't think it was unplayable and tried to play it and end up making triple bogey. The next hole I had a four foot putt for par on a pretty simple little, you know, one ball out, maybe two balls outright type of putt. Leave it just barely below the hole and have about 20ft coming back for bogey. And then I think the third, I think maybe that was. So that's 13, 14, I think 15. I. It was a par five and I hit a three wood into a boulder that kicked it out of bounds or something like that. So I think I shot 83. One under through 12. I shot 83. Hate that golf course, but good luck to you. I hope you enjoy it. [00:50:29] Speaker C: Thank you. Appreciate it. I hear, yeah, I hear, I hear it's like three unique nines. Each nine feels completely different from the previous one or something like that. So. [00:50:39] Speaker A: And I don't know, they flip flopped them a couple of times. So I don't know when I played it which is which. So the whole. That hole that I'm talking about might be that par three, might be number four or three or four, something like that. I know there's a par five that's either like, you know, it's late on one of the nines, so for me it was like seven or eight. But there was, it's another one of these funky green complexes where I hit the ball middle of the green, it's got a huge slope down to the bottom and then a false front. Okay. So I tap it, barely tap it, and it gets to the top of that first slope, rolls all the way off, all the way off the false front. 50 yards down the fairway and I've got a full sand or full lob wedge back in from a putt. I mean, it's weird stuff I've never had happen. [00:51:23] Speaker C: So that sounds fun. [00:51:25] Speaker A: I can't wait to hear how that goes. Stay below the hole. [00:51:29] Speaker C: Yeah, stay below the hole. [00:51:30] Speaker A: Yeah, stay below the hole. That's the. It is designed by the. So you like Tobacco Road though? I've always, yeah. [00:51:37] Speaker C: Tobacco Road's not quite like that. [00:51:40] Speaker A: Yeah, I've always heard that it was. But Tahoe Farm is, I think a little bit more extreme called a little bit more exotic. Yeah, there you go. A little more extreme, I think. So I'll be curious to hear here how that goes. [00:51:53] Speaker C: Well, yeah, I'm looking at experience, Right. I'm excited to go enjoy the opportunity to experience all the things you just talked about. Right. Just what is it going to be like? And have fun with it. [00:52:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:52:03] Speaker A: Well, I think that's something to, you know, there's. There's something to. Like the round that I tried to play, you know, trying to keep the ball under 50ft or whatever. I think that was the day that I ended up finding the smother at things. So sometimes you just, you know, getting out of your. Getting out of the box and doing some different things that are cool things. So I just. I can't wait to hear what you think of the golf course. So we've kind of put our matches on hold for the winter. We've got to get out and play sometimes. [00:52:25] Speaker C: This month is. Yeah, we didn't really get to. We didn't do much in October, did we? [00:52:29] Speaker A: I don't think so. [00:52:30] Speaker C: Did we do anything in October? [00:52:31] Speaker A: I haven't played. I haven't played. I've not been on a real golf course since me and you played at Eagle Ridge. I think that's last time I played. [00:52:37] Speaker C: Yeah. Let's get together and try to figure something out. Yeah, I think we missed the entire month of October. I think stuff just got crazy, and I don't think we played. [00:52:44] Speaker A: So, Mike, you got anything to. [00:52:46] Speaker C: To add? [00:52:47] Speaker A: I got to get the kids here in a little bit, so we'll kind of wrap it up here in a second. You got anything to close as well? [00:52:51] Speaker B: Shout out to Canada Zone. Brian Adams. I'm gonna go see him and Pat Benatar tomorrow. I'm gonna go to a concert and relive my. My childhood singer 90s. Yeah. I thought I was in a AT T store yesterday. I think this. The girl that was helping me, she was like, early. Early 30s or late 20s. And I said, I'm gonna go see Brian Adams. And she looked at me like, I think I've heard of him, but. Yeah, so I'm looking forward to that. I'm gonna go see Brian Adams, and that is. [00:53:26] Speaker A: That is just. I barely remember him, but I do remember him. Oh, my gosh. [00:53:34] Speaker B: I got 10 years on you guys. Well, too hard to our 50 and older listeners. [00:53:41] Speaker A: Hey, Tony. Tony. I don't know if I'll leave this in the show or not, because I can't think of the guy's name off top of my head, so it might be embarrassing to bring up, but I saw you followed this guy on Instagram. What's the guy's name? The autistic golfer? Do you know? [00:53:53] Speaker C: He's awesome. Yeah. Yeah, he's awesome. [00:53:54] Speaker A: He is amazing. I can't remember if. I think if you just. You know Google search him or Instagram searching. He'll probably come up. I forget his name off the top of my head but he is hilarious and he's funny. I was thinking about you and some of those where he's explaining how simple the swing is to him. He's like, I just try to think about swinging it on an arc and trying to really cool stuff. And so that's, that's my shout out to other social creators out there. If you listen to the show, check out the. I really need to think of his name. If I can think of it, I'll throw it in the description or something. But we were, me and the kids, we've been watching some of the stuff, the little skits he does where he pretends to be his four year old. Those are hilarious. Yep, it's some really cool stuff. So yeah, he has some pretty cool golf stuff too. [00:54:36] Speaker C: Very funny, good golf stuff. His, his one liners and his internal monologue or commentary is so funny. Yep. [00:54:45] Speaker A: Yeah. And he's kind of a mix if you go through and watch a lot of his stuff and he's got some serious stuff in there too. He's a really big, you know, advocate for, for autism in general and just. And talks a lot about, you know, his experience as a kid. So probably not the best one to watch with the kids. A lot of the videos probably aren't but anyway I've. I enjoyed watching a lot of his ST stuff but he's hilarious and heck of a golfer. I want to know how many times it took him to hit the hole in one on the 300 yard par 5 or 300 yard par 4 if you see that video because that had to take a few takes. But anyway, good stuff. All right fellas. Enjoyed it. If you've listened to the show this long, we appreciate your time listening. Subscribe to YouTube. Like the video. All that good stuff that I forgot to say earlier. If you're listening, please go check us out on YouTube. We're a lot cooler there. Mike's a lot more handsome in on video than he is. [00:55:37] Speaker B: But I can't wait to see myself. [00:55:38] Speaker A: On video and you'll get to see Tony's dog. See you guys, enjoy. [00:55:51] Speaker C: My dog is just non stop right now. I'm sorry guys, he's knocking this thing. But she's a 70 pound lab and she is just like pay attention to me. [00:56:12] Speaker A: A little bit is better than nada. A little bit or nothing at all.