Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: People that you know are in golf posture, and they stand up immediately, they're never gonna have power and lag because it's already gone. There's a difference between extending the hips this way, firing hips forward, and going vertical out of posture.
[00:00:14] Speaker B: But.
[00:00:15] Speaker A: But.
[00:00:15] Speaker C: Right.
[00:00:15] Speaker A: This doesn't do anything.
Okay? This doesn't do anything.
[00:00:21] Speaker B: And there's your armchair. There's your hobbies.
[00:00:23] Speaker A: This is what you get.
This is what you get me. Don't let me stand up.
[00:00:27] Speaker C: We both are. We're both single right now, and you're that wol.
[00:00:32] Speaker B: More action than I have in a year.
[00:00:34] Speaker A: Look, this is.
[00:00:38] Speaker C: Bring it to the party on Saturday. We can do a. We'll set up a table for you. We'll do some live interviews.
[00:00:45] Speaker B: Been meaning to tell you heartbreaking news. I can't make the party. I have monster truck tickets for my son, so. I didn't realize that. And I was looking. I was like, he's so into monster trucks, and that was his Christmas present. And I looked at the date. I was like, oh, that's Mike's party. And it's, like, the exact same time. There's no way it. But if it's any kind of installation, I'm also missing the Panthers first playoff game in, like, a decade to go to monster trucks, so.
[00:01:09] Speaker C: Well, I took my kids to monster truck. It was, like, the last thing you could do before, like, everything shut down for Covid, and literally, like, the next weekend, everything was shut down. But it's a great time. Just bring your earplugs. But, I mean, the boys had a blast.
I went as a kid, so he's.
[00:01:32] Speaker B: I was never really big into monster trucks as a kid, and he's.
[00:01:37] Speaker C: Yeah, hey, he's still there. He's still doing it, dude.
[00:01:41] Speaker B: He's obsessed with these things. Like, he's got these. Found this little video on YouTube, kids, and he's been singing this monster truck theme song for, like, two weeks. Like, every time I walk through, he's singing the song, so it's about to get on my nerves, honestly. But, yeah, he's. He's pretty pumped, so.
Well, welcome to listeners, viewers, to the best golf podcast ever. With Mike Hendricks and Tony Roselli, I'm Garrett Lille. I assure you, this is the best golf podcast ever. I've checked out probably two others, and we're definitely the best.
So.
[00:02:11] Speaker A: Not even close.
[00:02:12] Speaker B: Not even close, right? Yeah.
[00:02:13] Speaker C: That's way better.
[00:02:14] Speaker B: We're way better than what you've been listening to. So you're.
You're in for a Treat. A funny little story. I think I texted you guys this week. They had a. A. An incident at Sully's this week.
[00:02:25] Speaker A: This is play by play of this.
[00:02:28] Speaker B: Well, I wasn't there, so I can only give you the hearsay version.
When you first walk in, there's the first bay right there in front of you. And it was hit from that bay. And I just did a little geometry when I was looking at this. I mean, the hole is like this big. It's gigantic. And I did the geometry on this, and I'm like, if it crossed here and was struck from there, you. It's like reconstructing, like a shot and pool, right? Like, it. There's only so many lines that it could take. And it's like that thing had to just about go through the guy's head. He was lucky. And if it had that much speed to break the, I think, double pane glass 40ft the other direction, that thing had some velocity when it crossed his face. So that was. Glad nobody got hurt. Anyway, so if this makes it into the show. Sorry. Well, if it makes it into the show, and y' all happen to hear this one, sorry for your loss on the window there, but.
And then ironically, like, two days later, I got an email from them that they were increasing dues, like, $8 a month moving forward. And I'm like, are these connections.
They just realized we need to bake in there? Yeah, we need to bake in some. A little bit more liability into the monthly dues, apparently.
[00:03:39] Speaker A: So that definitely brings up an important point about safety in golf. I wrote a paper for a sport law journal years ago on assessment of risk and a version of risk in golf, and is looking at a bunch of different lawsuits or attempted lawsuits in the golf space.
But from a realistic standpoint, you look at those metal pole, you know, cages, and there's only so much foaming you can do. And even then, if you hit it just right, that golf ball's coming so fast, it's going to ricochet. One of my former students, alumni now, he was working at a place in the area not to be named, and he hit a golf ball and it ricocheted off and hit him right. The tooth, and he ended up losing a tooth.
He's a great player. Like, he hit a good shot. It just. Just hit the pipe, you know, So I don't know what the better layout is, because they need the structural integrity to house that many bays. Right.
But at the same time, you'd think there'd be a better way to Protect the ricochet effect.
[00:04:49] Speaker B: Well. And, you know, it's easy to.
I mean, I've. I've seen enough of those things.
You know, you're in there practicing, and you hear the ricochet balls, and everybody kind of instinctively ducks, and it's usually nowhere close to you. I've never really been, like, literally fearful in there until the other night I went. I had my kids with me on New Year's Eve for the one club scramble. And I did tell them, like, stay over here by the putting green and don't go back there because they don't know to look out for it. And I'll just tell them to be careful. And then it was like two days later, I found out about the ricochet ball, and I was like, okay. But even it's easy to kind of judge and be like, yeah, bad players.
I've hit the pole before. It doesn't take that. I mean. And kind of on both sides, too. When I hit a lob wedge, I hit that thing so dag on high that it almost hits the. The upright pole or the. The crossbar.
[00:05:34] Speaker A: Correct. Yep.
[00:05:35] Speaker B: So it's not that crazy to think you could. You could do that.
I've seen somebody. I took a buddy in there for the super bowl last year, and he's skied a driver over the top of the pole, and it, like, went up the ceiling tile. So there's a few of those, but it's easier to.
[00:05:51] Speaker A: Ha.
[00:05:51] Speaker B: It can happen. It's easier than you think.
[00:05:54] Speaker A: So, yeah, I think the only thing. The only. The only real, actual feasible way to do it costs more money. But you build the structure, you put the net, and then you add in canvas pieces in front of the pole that have about this much space behind the pole, in between the pole and the canvas, such that the ball hits the canvas, it never reaches the pole. Put him in the corners, and you put him in the top. It's just. It's just more money, you know, for a one in a million incident, but still.
[00:06:23] Speaker B: Yeah.
Well, you get enough golf balls hit there, and one in a million plays itself out, I guess, if you.
[00:06:28] Speaker A: That's right.
[00:06:29] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:06:29] Speaker A: The odds happen, Especially.
[00:06:31] Speaker C: Especially with you having two memberships. It's.
[00:06:34] Speaker B: Hey. I mean, so I. I was.
That kind of segues me a little bit. So. Because I was on, I. I knew the way December was going to go that once the kids got out of school, I knew I was pretty much shutting it down for the rest of the year because it's just so hard to. To number one with if kind of feel bad, I don't want to leave my kids here to go play golf. You know, I don't mind doing it in the day, whether it's school, but I. You know, I want to spend time with my kids, you know, So I knew I was probably gonna be shutting it down. And I also. With all these membership hours, it was like I'm cramming as many as I could into, like, the first two weeks of December.
So first couple of weeks, I mean, I was going in three, sometimes four hours a day, leaving from there and going to the gym for an hour. So by the time, like, December 20th or whatever day it was got here, I was kind of in this. I was a little torn. Like, I was actually sick of golf, and I love golf, but I was sick of it. I'd had about enough. But I was also playing really good, so I kind of hated to see the momentum get broken up, too. But I didn't touch a club at all, I don't think, for like, eight days, something like that. I had to go back and look at the calendar, but I went into withdrawals there after a little while. I mean, it was not easy getting shakes and stuff. Yeah, it was about. By about December 30th, I was struggling. But my first ball back, when. The first time I came back was the New Year's Eve challenge.
One club, and I hit it absolutely terrible in the practice round and kind of got some things worked out. And in the tournament itself, I hit it fine, but I could not figure out how to putt with a five iron. That's a whole new skill set that I don't have that I.
You know, I don't even know if that's worth practicing to do it once, once a year.
And I have broken enough putters mid round that I have had experience putting with. With irons and wedges and three woods and stuff before. But anyway, so. So, yeah, I was actually starting to get a little burned out, but I'm just about back. Today's the last day that my youngest is out of school. My oldest went back yesterday, so I'll be back in it. I've been kind of easing back in this week, so be back to full steam pretty soon. I did get back to the gym yesterday, so I didn't completely break that momentum, but. Yeah. So, Mike, on the gym stuff, I have a question, a couple of questions for you. As I'm getting into now, my second month working out, I'm getting to that point now where I'm starting to See, maybe some variations that I want to do in my workout. Some of the, you know, you guys gave me grief at the Christmas Eve party over there that apparently the internal hip adductors are not necessary for golf. That's. That's not a machine I need to be caught dead on. Is that right?
[00:09:03] Speaker C: Well, yeah, the. I mean, that's a loaded question there. Yeah, it's just. Just don't overload it, because it's easy to tweak stuff when your listeners don't know what that is. Where you, you know, you sit down in the machine.
[00:09:17] Speaker B: It's this machine.
[00:09:18] Speaker C: It's. Yeah. And you squeeze.
Squeeze and release.
Or you can flip it around and you're pushing against it, and you're going out and then bringing it back in. Yeah, it's. Yeah, it's one that you can. Yeah, I think. I think it's great. You got to work on those hips, Garrett. That's where you know, the power. There's a lot of power that can be generated in. In your glutes and tap it into those. So. Yeah, well, I get a client, call it the. The good girl, bad girl. You know, I'm sorry if that's. But, yeah, we're on.
[00:09:50] Speaker B: That's a.
[00:09:51] Speaker C: You can edit that out. You can edit.
[00:09:53] Speaker B: No, that's okay. That's okay. That's.
[00:09:56] Speaker A: That's. You could argue. That's good. Good, good.
[00:10:00] Speaker C: Give it exercise.
[00:10:02] Speaker B: That may have to be edited out, but Mike's comment was fine. Tony might have crossed the line, so. No, I've. I've. I think I'm. I'm ditching that one. I think I have a couple of other ways that I want to try. I try my best to come as close as I can to mimic. Mimicking the golf movement in the gym as I can. You can't do it perfectly, but there's. There's a way to work the muscle, and there's a way to work the muscle like you would use it in the golf swing. And it's not necessarily always the same thing.
One example that I have for that is I was.
See, I'm really not sure what order I want to bring these things up, because they all kind of tie together a little bit. But one of the variations I've been thinking about is doing some type of a cross body deadlift, where I do a deadlift, where you just. Just a regular barbell. But what if I turned my hips 45 degrees to the barbell and then had to turn over and stood? I mean, I. And I looked it up. Apparently that term is not. I'm not inventing a new term. The term cross body deadlift exists out there, but I might be inventing a new movement because I have not found anybody that's doing it that way, or if they are, I don't know what it's called. And it's hard to demonstrate like. Like I am now. But I was thinking about the. I said all this ties together. Tony, when you've talked to me about the.
I need to stop rotating.
Hell, I can't stop rotating. I'm trying to stop rotating, you know, but it just keeps going. I need some type of a wall to hit to make me stop rotating. Because if I try to stop rotating my hips, my upper body just keeps going. And it's just. It's just. It doesn't go well. But I know how the. The good players do it is they. It's not so much that they're trying to stop rotating. It's just as they extend their hips through impact, it forces the hips to stop rotating. You can't really rotate and extend at the same time, I guess. So I'm trying to figure out how to.
I really want to stand up and demonstrate this for you guys. But, you know.
[00:11:53] Speaker C: As a fitness professional, all I say, especially if you're inventing new exercises. Gift, please. Yeah. Start. Start light.
You know, start like really light. Because the last thing you do is, like rotate your body and then pick up something heavy when your spine is rotated.
So just be careful when you're inventing new exercises in the gym. I think Tony would back me up on that Dart light. Then trying to pick up something heavy when your torso or your body's flex.
[00:12:26] Speaker A: Oh, gas. No breaks. Just go.
[00:12:30] Speaker B: Well, I was gonna say always.
[00:12:32] Speaker A: Well, I was gonna say the. What you're describing, it sounds like a cable chop from low to high or high to low. That's what it sounds like.
[00:12:41] Speaker B: Enough hearsay. I'm talking about standing this way.
Okay.
[00:12:47] Speaker C: Let'S not go slide.
[00:12:49] Speaker B: And then if I'm in this position, then for me to perform the deadlift, I have to. I first of all have to have more weight on my left side to do this. And then I just come right up out of it. And it's the same thing as. As that, sort of. So for the. If you're watching on YouTube, I'm very sorry for what you just saw, but.
[00:13:05] Speaker A: Yeah, but. So it's not. It's not the same. It's not the same thing. I'm. What I'm saying is A cable chop low to high cable rotation would be more dynamic and more in that golf plane of motion. So you would start with it low and you would rotate up this way, vice versa, and horizontal around this way.
[00:13:23] Speaker C: That is so funny that you say that because I was doing those three, those exact three movements with clients last week and this week as a kind of a warmup. I like exactly what you're saying. Doing a cable chop and then a reverse chop where you're going low to high. You can use a rope or you can use a band and then doing a horizontal left to right rotation. But I think what Tony's saying, he's using a band or a cable attachment.
So you're not using like super, super heavy weight. You know, you're just using a stack of weight on a pulley.
But looked like what you were doing was like a. Almost like a modified, like a drop step single leg deadlift almost where you had like one foot behind you and then one foot in front and you're like doing a single.
[00:14:12] Speaker B: Disclosure. I have not. This has not escaped my brain other than demonstrating it for myself just to play around with it. I have not touched this in the actual weight room yet. I'm just playing around with ideas in my head. I just thought of it yesterday.
I've seen a couple of. I saw another one was kind of like a load of high kettlebell swing. That was another variation I thought might be a good thing. So I have no idea. When I try to actually do this, it may make no sense whatsoever. And I was not planning on loading the bar up with my max and trying that. I was going to start light and. And you know, most importantly, consult a professional first, which is what I'm doing now. So I'm doing this as responsibly as I know how, but I'm just.
I'm touring around with just different ways.
[00:14:52] Speaker A: My seatbelt on as I was drinking them beers while I was driving that truck, I was using my blinkers and everything.
[00:14:58] Speaker B: Hey, be, be careful. If you can't be smart, at least be careful while you're doing it right.
[00:15:03] Speaker C: So, but, but anyway, yeah, listening to you talk, I was doing some slide boards today, so I wonder if Garrett and Tony, maybe you could chime in on this too. Like instead, if. If you're trying to rotate less, maybe work on some exercises where you're just doing weight shift with your lower body and you're not rotating like I was. I don't know if you know what I'm talking about, but I had like where you put the. The booties on, like. And you and I. You're sliding like a hockey player.
[00:15:35] Speaker B: The.
[00:15:35] Speaker C: The board slides or even just lateral.
[00:15:39] Speaker B: It's a very.
[00:15:40] Speaker A: Yeah. You know, there's a movie from the 90s.
Yeah. There's a move from the 90s called Heavyweights, and in the camp, they do the sliding, the gliding and striding.
[00:15:52] Speaker C: Yeah. Something where you're doing less rotating and just more, you know, weight shifting, maybe.
[00:16:00] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:16:00] Speaker C: I'd have to get you back in the weight room where we can kind of play around with it again.
[00:16:05] Speaker B: Yeah, we need to. We need to get another.
Another session for me to get in there. I'm almost out of content from the last one anyway, to edit, so we need to.
I want to get in there sometime and just kind of walk through with you what I've been doing, because I. I do. Overall, I've really enjoyed the workout I've been doing because it's very.
It feels like every single thing that I'm doing has a specific golf application to it. And I feel like it's been pretty effective so far as far as, like, helping me figure out which. Which muscles to engage, how to engage, and when to engagement, all that kind of thing. It really has been kind of an addition to my practice time, as it tends to be a problem of mine or a tendency of mine if something starts to work a little bit, then I start to get creative and figure out ways to make it work even better. And that's where we get into that. All. All gas, no brakes. And before y' all know it, I will be doing, like, 360 box jumps with kettlebells just to see if I can do it, you know? So I gotta be careful not to.
[00:17:00] Speaker A: Get too creative with holding something between your butt cheeks with your eyes closed.
[00:17:04] Speaker B: To work on balance.
[00:17:05] Speaker C: Whatever. Whatever you do, record it, and we'll put it on hashtag Jim Fails somewhere.
[00:17:11] Speaker B: There you go.
Not. Not because it'll be good content or actually help anybody, but it will. It'll hit the comedy reel somewhere.
Yeah, exactly. Legit question for you, though, Mike, as part. And another. Well, that was legit, too, but this is a little bit more serious.
One of the things that I've been incorporating have been different variations of heavy carries, loaded carries, farmer carries, side carries.
And one that I've been doing is, like an overhead carry where you just take a kettlebell, hold it over your head, and the. The farmers, and the side carries. I think I'm pretty good with the overhead carries. I have to drop the weight A ton, first of all. And what I've been doing is walking, like, let's see, their eighth of a mile lap. So I'll do like one. One lap, eighth of a mile. And I was thinking about a little bit with the.
The actual mechanics of the golf swing. And when you're using those muscles, is that working a little bit too much on an. On endurance as opposed to what's. What I'm getting at with that is, should I be doing a heavy weight for 30 yards as opposed to a lighter weight for 100 yards for those types of things, or.
[00:18:23] Speaker C: That's a great question. I just love that. I love.
You could just kind of mix it up. It's a great way to.
As Tony knows, for strength gains, you know, like doing something heavy for a short amount of time, it can. It can help you.
Instead of doing that lightweight for an eighth of a mile, you know, you might be able to add some weight to that.
No, I just love.
[00:18:47] Speaker B: I love the.
[00:18:47] Speaker C: All the different training protocols, man. They all work. It's just mixing it up.
So maybe pick a day where you go heavier and you go shorter distance. I love that. It's great for the shoulder girdle because there's so many joint guys with joint issues. And just being able to hold it in a lock position works that shoulder girdle also holding it from a bent elbow, the more you higher you have it over your head, you know you're going to need something lighter because you got to lock in that. Anytime you bend that elbow, then you've kind of changed the exercise.
It's great for grip strength.
So, I mean, the kettlebell has so many different uses. And what I love about you is you come up with so many different idea, different ways to do it.
Go heavy. I would say, you know, just start light like we were talking about earlier. Start light, you know, and just work your way up.
[00:19:40] Speaker B: Mike is so afraid. Mike is so afraid I'm gonna hurt myself. I don't know why. You have always been so afraid that I'm gonna get hurt. That's a fair concern, to be fair. But it's even back to the beginning working with you, man, it was always like, don't get yourself hurt. And I didn't understand at that time why you were so worried. I think now I have a better understanding of why that was such a concern of yours.
[00:20:01] Speaker C: Yeah, I think it's a combination of, like, you are a bit of a wild man. You're a loose cannon, and getting you in the gym, but also, you know, I work with older guys. And I. And I. What I love is when I get a chance to work with younger guys, like, believe it or not, you are about to be 40. You are actually on the younger side of my clients. And, you know, there's just more risk as you get older for injury. Right. And so I love when I do get to work with younger guys like you that, like, remind me like, hey, we are the line, the risk tolerance. Go. We can go a little.
And also, just from your assessment that we did a few months ago, like, you're.
You can handle things a little bit more. But I've got clients with, you know, a lot of different limitations, so I'm like, Tony would know just like a doctor, you know, when you take the Hippocratic oath, do no harm. And so, like, for me, it's happened. For me, I think anybody in this business, on the gym side, you're working with somebody and you hear this.
[00:21:03] Speaker B: You.
[00:21:04] Speaker C: Know, they tweak something, and it may be something, you know, like, I got clients coming in sore with, like, sore upper backs where they're never sorry. Like, yeah, it took me three hours to get Christmas down. You know, they're like, I can't get rid of this pain in my back or behind my shoulder. Yeah, there's just, as a, as a trainer in this profession, there's the, as the worst feeling when somebody gets hurt. But I love that you want to push yourself. So go heavy, baby. Just, you know, all increments. You may only have, you know, on the kettlebell side, you may have, like, a really light one and a really heavy one. So that's where guys can get in trouble. They're like, I have a 15 pound and I got a 45 pound. And how, you know you can get in trouble that way.
[00:21:47] Speaker B: Yeah, I was going to say this earlier. If you survived my demonstration of the sideways deadlift, now's a great time to ask you to please subscribe to the channel. Like the video, if you're watching on YouTube, do all that kind of stuff, if you, if you made it through that, you're going to enjoy the rest of the show. So you clearly like it, so just do that. It helps our algorithm a lot. It helps us become more popular on YouTube. Three dudes, not a single wife between us, but we got a dozen kids, so we got mouths to feed. If you can, like, subscribe, do things to support, that'd be awesome. We appreciate it. So don't forget that. And I, I just want to say that if the only thing I Took from that is that Mike basically said, go hard, you're good. Go hard, push yourself.
What did the eagle say? Take it to the limit one more time.
[00:22:35] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm with under 50 and your physical assessment was perfect. So therefore all out. No, all out. You know, all I was gonna say, same thing. So I'm kind of in a similar boat as Garrett, where I just started, you know, getting back into my training and whatnot and setting some goals.
I'll just kind of share some from my stuff. So I basically started keto, the ketogenic diet, a month ago.
And I have this goal, this vanity goal to be shredded by 40. So June 26, over the summer, me and my twin brother and good buddy, we're gonna go to Scotland and we're planning this trip out and everything. I was like, well, I want to be shredded at 40 for this trip.
Set a plan in place. All I know, I just have to eat right, Cut out all the snacky snacks, the cookies, the over the macaroons, rather the macaroons and all the chips that I love so much. And the excess macaroons are great when you got. When you're gluten free, but the. And then that's all the extra drinks that I don't need to be having each day. So started the keto thing and today was one month and I already lost eight pounds.
And the. Which is about as much as you can lose. Yeah, that's about as much as you can lose in a month, you know, two pounds per week. So varying up the eating windows, you know, shortening the eating windows to where you have longer fasting in between meals and whatnot. So it's been going good and the workouts have felt good, you know, slow and steady.
Understanding my body, understanding I am getting older and not trying to just go for the, you know, one rep maxes anymore. Just. Just do something again. Just do something consistent. You know, I'm going on more walks with the dog, you know, this, that and the other. And I didn't touch a golf club all break. So I had to do something to, to work towards improvement.
But one of the things I was going to circle back to with Garrett was asking him about. He said he got kind of burned out on golf or he wasn't enjoying it much. Can you imagine being a professional? So like you were. You were basically almost on with the double sully sessions and working out and simulated rounds. If you were spending three to five hours a day on something golf related, that's almost a professional golfer type routine.
[00:24:50] Speaker B: Three to five hours undocumented. That's not even, that's not even counting when I would come back home and look at the video or do drills or things like that. If you, if, especially during that stretch, if you were to take inventory of how many hours a day my mind was on golf. Yeah, it's probably, it's probably eight, nine hours, but so think about that.
[00:25:11] Speaker A: And you got burned out. You almost got burned out in what, like a two month stretch of doing that. And these guys have to do this for 10 months out of the year or whatever it is. Like that's, it's crazy. And it shows. It goes to show again too, how we're always trying to find the balance between enjoying this game and getting better at it. And it is a balance because it's.
To get better. Oftentimes you do have to put in more time, which cuts into your enjoyment. Right. So it's just a, it's a slippery slope, but it's a necessary slope to find the balance for.
[00:25:40] Speaker B: Well, and you can even get a little bit. Everything you just said was true. And I would add to it, maybe even taking it for granted a little bit when you're not getting to play a lot, you find more joy in it when you get a chance to get out and play. But when you are in a position where you're able to play, you know, three, four, five hours a day, even if it's not. Part of my burnout was physical. I mean, I was getting tired and it was just like I need to. Needed a. I needed a break physically. But yeah, you're. You're spot on there. I mean, for the, for the guys. You heard like the video circulating of Tiger's workout plan. It was like, get up, go to the gym for an hour, run four miles, go play 18 holes, hit balls for three hours, and then at the end of it, they tack on John Daly's play 18 holes, smoke a couple cigarettes, drink five beers, and, you know, I probably. I can't tell if I'm John Daly or Ty. I think I want to be Tiger, but I've got a head like John and I just. I can't figure out who I am. So I'm. I'm just somewhere in the middle there. But you gotta.
We gotta get into more detail, maybe offline about your keto plan, because I've been on my diet for about as long as you and I'm up £4, so whatever you're doing, I need to do more of it because I think the fastest way for me to swing faster. The fastest way for me to swing faster is still to get rid of this 15lb weight that I'm carrying around in front of me.
[00:26:55] Speaker A: Yeah. So, yeah, basically the. The crash course on the whole keto thing. I did a bunch of research and, you know, over the. The break in between semesters, I've just dove into it because I was curious about it, and I dove into it. Long story short, you need to try to aim when you're first starting out for 50 grams or less of carbohydrate, net carbohydrate. So you take out the dietary fiber that's in, say, some nuts or whatever. If there's five, you know, grams of carbohydrate per serving of nuts, but there's 4 grams of dietary fiber, you have 1 gram of net carb.
But basically, what it comes down to for most people is just getting rid of beer, soda, chips, cookies, any. Any stock, wheat, stuff like that.
[00:27:40] Speaker C: You've already lost Garrett. You already lost Gary John Daly.
[00:27:46] Speaker A: I said I was going to give.
[00:27:47] Speaker B: You the credit, but he did help me identify.
He did help me to identify my golf spirit animal. I'm clearly not tiger.
[00:27:55] Speaker A: Yeah, things like whiskey don't have carbs, so.
But still, it does take the body time to metabolize all that before. So if the body is metabolizing, it's not fasting. And you get into ketosis basically whenever you're in a fasting state. So that's where those longer fasting windows allow the body's blood sugar to stabilize. What puts on fat is glucose sending fat cells. The signal to store the energy is fat versus being used or burned or breathed out or whatever.
And carbohydrates especially, you know, sugary, like refined sugary stuff. And just straight carbohydrates activate that glucose, activate that response to store fat. So that's where, like the Atkins and all these other really low carbohydrate diets often work well for people is because they level or they stabilize the blood sugar and allow the body to reset.
Um, and the body's just not constantly being bombarded with constant carbohydrates to be stored as fat. So I'm a bit of an extremist when it comes to this type of stuff. Like, if I. And again, I'm not. Not everybody's the same way. If I was giving advice to you or to somebody else, I'd say start way slower than I did. I just like dove straight in was like, all right, no more chips, no more carbs. No, no, nothing. Right. It was crazy.
Most people don't operate that way. Um, I'm just a little bit of a outlier in that. That it just. If I have a goal, I just. I can do it.
But it's. It's been nice, you know, it's. It's. It's nice to see the.
The scale go down, the shirts fit better and the pants fit better, and energy goes up and. Yeah, it's. It's been really good. I've really enjoyed the. The results so far.
[00:29:33] Speaker B: My pants are fitting better too now, but that's because I bought a bigger pair, so.
[00:29:38] Speaker A: You bought a bigger pair. That's one way.
[00:29:41] Speaker C: You just get them. Get them stretchier. Well, I have to say, I. I met Tony's lady friend over the holidays. She had us the. The best podcast crew over, and his lady friend is absolutely shredded.
And, you know, I think the point is to have a better chance of success. It's, you know, you need to have support at home, you know, and I've had clients where they get on a diet, but their spouse is not on the diet as. As well, and it makes it really hard to be successful. So it doesn't mean your spouse has to jump on your same diet plan, but if they can help. And I'm sure that Tony's lady friend is encouraging him and. And helping him with meals, and.
And so he has a much better chance of success.
And so, I mean, I could be your man friend, Garrett and I can come along, my accountability partner. Accountability buddy.
You can start. Write down everything you eat and text it to me every couple of days.
[00:30:52] Speaker A: And then he'll shame you over it.
[00:30:59] Speaker B: I might be down for that. I do need. I need some accountability. You guys have already helped me with my accountability a little bit, because.
Not much. I mean, I'm not easy to hold to that, but at least having to get back on here every couple of weeks and talk to you guys, it's really bad when I just have to keep bringing up the same things over and over again. And you guys are like, well, did you listen to the last time we answered that question? You know, like. So I'm trying to listen to. I'm trying to practice what y' all preach a little bit at least. But. But yeah, the white thing is something that I've just noticed too. I mean, is the last couple of years, as I've gotten a little older, it's starting to catch up with me a little bit. My metabolism is just not what it was. I mean, I can follow the same plan that I was following five years ago, it just doesn't. Just doesn't work. So trying to figure out what that I used to be able to follow, basically what Tony's talking about to a T. Naturally, just, you know, I'd eat a couple of big meals a day, all protein.
I mean, naturally, I'm a carnivore. I love protein.
And just. But even if I. Even if I do that, it's. I'm doing that now just to maintain weight, you know, to keep from gaining it, so. Well, Tony, I told you I was going to hit you pretty hard today. But the good news is I think all of these are related. So it's. It's basically just one question. I'm just going to come at you from four different angles, and I think the way I want to tell this is that. Yeah, yeah, you better get your kung fu ready.
[00:32:19] Speaker A: It's get my Taekwondo. Gotta get my taekwondo going.
Yeah, I'm going Taekwondo tonight. That's right.
I'm going to Taekwondo tonight with the kids as orange belts, so y' all better watch out.
[00:32:30] Speaker B: Sweet.
So over the break, right, right before I took the little break off for the holidays, I was playing pretty good, and I had a pretty consistent swing. Thought that I was working on. That was just all about the way I rotate my body, the way I coil, and trying to stop popping out of posture, especially on my downswing.
So most of the holidays, even though I didn't play, I'd sneak off to the bathroom and do drills and stuff once in a while, and it was all focused on staying in posture.
[00:32:57] Speaker C: Right.
[00:32:58] Speaker B: I think when I got back, part of the problem is I was doing that part pretty well, but I was fatting the crap out of the ball. I mean, I was. I thought I was gonna break a club. I was hitting it so far behind the ball.
[00:33:09] Speaker A: Could have told you that was gonna happen.
[00:33:12] Speaker B: Well, you didn't. I would have appreciated the tip.
[00:33:16] Speaker A: I didn't know you were doing bathroom posture maintenance drills.
[00:33:20] Speaker B: Well, you know, hey, I had figured out those. Those heavy bag swings I was talking to you about last time. Those are really good at teaching you how the body's supposed to move. And I just tried to feel that a lot. And when I came back, it's like, okay, I'm. I'm doing part of this, right? I think, but, man, I'm hitting it so fast. And I told you this right before. I don't think we talked about on the podcast, but the one thing about that last week that I played is that my attack angle and my launch angle had gotten to insane levels. Like an 8 iron, you're supposed to be about an 18, 20 degree launch, and about a 5, 6, 7 degree attack. I was at like 12 on both of them, 12 degrees down, 12 degree long.
So I knew that wasn't good. And then an odd thing about it is that that's what it is with the eight hour, but with the lob wedge, I'm having a hard time not hitting it over the top of the dip. My launch angle, the lob wedge, is like 40 degrees, where it's supposed to be 30.
So I'm launching it really, really high with the lob, really about normal with the gap, and my attack is just ridiculously steep.
So started playing around with, okay, why is that? And you know, I mentioned the New Year's Eve thing. The one thing that helped me play a little better in the tournament itself was trying to feel like I. I did extend my hips a little bit through impact. I don't want to go so far as to say jumping, even though, because I know that a lot of people talk about the jump. It's not exactly jumping, but it is a similar feeling that you kind of get.
Anyway, all of that eventually led me back to this term that I knew I had heard and I couldn't remember where, and I went back, and it was from our podcast, Parametric Acceleration. I was like, I wonder if this has something to do with parametric acceleration.
So then that turned into like, okay, well, what, What. What is parametric acceleration? Because I get with what it is. But how do you create it? Is it from pulling up on the handle or is it from popping the hip up?
So I've gone on my own little, you know, tangent rabbit hole on that. But I thought instead of me telling you all of the things that I have read but not really learned anything from, why don't you answer that question?
What causes parametric acceleration? I know what it is. It's the sudden lifting of the handle, and that causes it to. Physically, it makes total sense. But what does your body do to create.
[00:35:36] Speaker A: It doesn't necessarily have to be sudden, but yeah, basically, we've got our golf club here again. I showed y' all this with, like a back scratcher one time. So the golf club is moving down around in an arc, and then it starts to move up the hands and the butt end of the club. Tessa, go on, girl, go on. The handle and the hand start to move up and left around the body. When that happens, just because the golf Club is connected into one solid piece. It's going to release, let the loft.
Because right now this has, like, negative loft on it. And when I go here now, it has normal loft. Right. So how does it happen? It can happen a myriad of ways, but if you are making a golf swing motion where you shift to the lead side and then you start to extend up. Watch my shoulder. If my shoulder goes up, that's one way to do it. Right. The shoulders are rotating. I hate to use the word rotating, but they are traveling around an arc, too.
The stomach is, the hips are, the knees are everything.
So all that has to happen is you do have to have some raising through the rest of the swing. And I hate to. I don't like the. The idea of, like, pulling the hands because then you get into a chicken wing thing, and that just doesn't feel really.
For a lot of people, that doesn't work too well. But basically what happens.
[00:36:52] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm gonna. As you let me interrupt your tear.
Yeah, because that was actually one of the things that I saw a video or something on. It was talking about an active pulling.
And I'm just sitting there thinking, I hadn't tried this, but I'm sitting there thinking, that sounds like a death trap for me. But that. That does not sound like that's going to end well. So. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
[00:37:12] Speaker A: Because again, it doesn't have to. We're not talking much. To get the club to go from here 90 degrees to here is not that much in the grand scheme of things, like, because this is not the plane that the golf club is swinging on. But, you know, just a little tug. If I relax the. The hands here, this does all that. Right.
So the issue is. And this is where I was gonna say I could have guaranteed or I could have predicted you're gonna start hitting it fat is you were used to extending standing up immediately in the downswing. Okay. When you do that, the club releases immediately for the most part. So what did you say you used to do? You tried to hold the angle as long as possible. That's because you were standing up too early. You're introducing that parametric acceleration too early. So then now that you're trying to stay in your posture, right. Which you're doing a good job of that.
Well, now when the club gets down to here, you have no more extensions. So the club is hitting fat, right. When it tries to release, it's releasing too late.
So you remember the old Tiger woods power squat move back in the day, like, where he'd. With the driver, he'd like load up and squat and then go back up. That's basically the sequence that needs to happen. You don't have to like squat crazy. Again, we're talking about fractions here. We're not talking crazy movements, but it needs to be sequenced properly. So you know, you can either coil early in the downswing or in the backswing. Kind of like I showed you way back in the summer. Some people coil and, and compress earlier, some people shift and then drop a little bit.
But once the club gets to about, you know, that 90 degree angle, thigh high position or whatever, it has to start going up. The body has to start going up. There was a, the golf book that caught storm back in like 2010, 2008, 2007, somewhere around that time frame in the online community, online forums. And it was a guy.
I have to go back and look up his name. I forgot exactly what his name was, but he had a PDF he wrote called the Golf Swing and its Master Key.
It's not novicel I don't remember what it is. But anyway, he was talking the lead shoulder. And to him the lead shoulder was the, the, the holy grail of the golf swing. And his old deal was focus on turning the lead shoulder down and under you. And then as you transition into the shot, you focus on the lead shoulder going up and out to the ball this way. That gives you an end out path for most of the slicers, but it also gives you that. He didn't describe any of this, but it gives you that parametric acceleration that we're talking about, that pull. The lead shoulder is going up, which again, what are they talking about pulling the handle up? They're talking about pulling it up. Well, if this is all locked out and it's all one lever here, when I pull that up, it goes out.
[00:39:53] Speaker B: Taking that back one more step or taking it further one more step. Where does that come from? That comes from the vertical force from your lead leg a lot of times, right. Isn't that a lot of times what's going to create that lift that you're talking about?
[00:40:06] Speaker A: So you'll see in most, you know, or a lot of golfers, gets me.
[00:40:09] Speaker B: To the sideways deadlifts. Now you see where I, where, where.
[00:40:12] Speaker A: I came up with, that all came from parametric acceleration.
But so, yeah, so, but if you look at a lot of, you know, your, your top golfers, a lead leg is straightening through impact, right? And the actual parametric acceleration in golf paper, I just looked it up again today, was from back, like 2001, I think it's Kevin Mayura from the University of Tokyo back in the day. He wrote this paper, and it's basically a simulation that he conducted and tried to figure out if this was a feasible concept of what's happening, you know, through the golf swing.
But Chris como and Sasha McKenzie also did a video, and I think MacKenzie had a paper on it, where we talked about that rope, the tugboat, right? If I pull, if this is a boat or this is the boat and this is the. The raft and this is the string, if I'm pulling in a straight line, it doesn't do anything to speed up the inflatable. It's going to go at the same rate as the boat, but as soon as it turns, whoosh. And shoots that tugboat out or the. The inflatable, that's when people get thrown off a thing, right? It's that slingshot type effect.
So in theirs, they were talking about it going this way, more up and in and to the left, causing that release to happen that way. That acceleration happened that way.
[00:41:26] Speaker C: I remember.
[00:41:26] Speaker A: I don't know if that helps or if that answers any of your questions or not, but you don't have to overthink it. But what you can't do is continue to rotate. If you are houring the rotation really hard with the upper body through the shot, you never get that release. You never get that parametric release of the energy.
That way, if this is all just turning, turning, turning, and you're hanging on to it, you know, you'll. You'll never get there. And some of those videos I sent you on Instagram is the same type of thing, right? They're saying if you're trying to hold the lag forever, the club face is wide open. It never catches up. That video of Bryson and Wesley Bryan, right, He's saying, he. He calls it stalling. Really, it's. It's applying the brakes and letting everything catch up and release, right? Same type of deal. It's all the same stuff. And that's when I send you a lot of these videos. I'm like, it's all the same thing. It's all talking about. It's like, you know, it's just all there.
People just explain it in different ways.
[00:42:20] Speaker B: No, it really is all the same thing. That's what I'm starting. I think I. The way I teed that up and said, it's like four different questions. But it all, I think, is the same point. It's all that. And one of the things that. One of the things that I've been struggling with on that a little bit is I'm thinking, okay, I need to.
The motion you're talking about when I pop out of it and then I. The parametric acceleration happens too early to me and now I need to hold it longer. I'm thinking, but you just spent like three months telling me you don't hold lag, you don't hold lag. But the thing about it is it's not necessarily an act of releasing of lag. If I'm trying to hold, I don't really have a. I don't have a club. But if I'm trying to hold the, those three bottom knuckles on my lead hand to the club, well, when I start to go up in order to maintain that, it unhinges the left Wrist. But there's two different ways that I can make this pin move 90 degrees. I can push down on one side or I can lift up on the other.
[00:43:12] Speaker C: Right.
[00:43:12] Speaker B: And it's still an unhinging. But rather than that unhinging being from almost like you're pushing the right thumb down towards the ball. Now you're pulling up, but you're not actively pulling. It's coming from that lead hip. So I'm starting to. It is starting to click a little bit. And that. Oh yeah, it really is. You've basically given me one golf lesson in six months. But it's the same lesson over and over from different, different way of, of different applications of it, I guess.
[00:43:36] Speaker A: Yeah. So, you know, in the golfing machine they talk about different power sources and the right arm thrusting is a form of power. If someone chose to use that. Right. This is a potential power source. But again then you're really relying on small muscles to do that. Triceps and this versus let's just move the huge, the big, you know, all encompassing body together in a way that allows it all to happen.
But yeah, so what I'm saying is you don't. Yeah, you don't hold. I'm not telling you to hold the wagon. This. What I'm saying now, what I'm saying is you just need to sequence the extension in the right place.
So I'd have to get up to show, to demonstrate, but basically.
Should we use Cujo again?
[00:44:22] Speaker B: Yeah, get Cujo out.
[00:44:24] Speaker A: Basically. This is the guy in the golf monster. Yeah, this is golf posture. You swing back and then you just stand up. That's too early. Right. That's what most people do. They never stay in their posture. As soon as they start to rotate or the golf club starts to come back this way, they're already standing up. What you're doing now is you're staying here the whole time. You're staying in your posture. What we need to happen is you stay in your posture and then it comes up, right?
[00:44:51] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:44:51] Speaker A: Basically from right thigh through the shot is when we start extending for that parametric acceleration to happen, such that you can let the angles out and not fat it. Such that you don't have to hold anything to avoid fatting it. Such that you get free energy pow into the ball.
And that even with extension, you can still keep your head in the posture. Like, it doesn't mean there's another problem. Like, if this is the golfer and this is their head, most people, they extend like this.
They just stand everything straight up, whereas you can extend the legs and still keep the head relatively in the same plane. Does that make sense?
[00:45:28] Speaker B: Yeah. And that's kind of where the deadlift thing really did. I was joking about it earlier, but there is truth in it, because I was one of the things when I was. Whenever I first heard the tip, basically, that you jump in your downswing or through impact.
I could hit the ball really hard doing that, but I always had this super high follow through.
And it usually turned into a gigantic draw. So I could hit the hell out of it. It was going to be way left.
So as I've kind of come full circle with it, it's like, all right, well, I need to be doing some version of that. It's not exactly the same way I was doing it before, but it's basically just that same thing. But you're waiting until your body is more facing the target before you initiate it. But if I get my body again, not. I'm trying to be careful not to get to the point where it's just like, rotate, rotate, rotate, and get as open as you can. But I feel like I almost have to feel the feel. It's not. I've done it in front of a mirror. It's not how it is. I almost have to feel like I'm completely facing the target before I extend, like 90 degrees to the target, you know, parallel to the target line before I extend. But when I do that in front of a mirror, it's just my body. That's. My shoulders are still square.
My. A big lesson for me lately has been that that hip dissociation is not the difference between your hips and your belly button. It's the difference in your torso and your shoulders. It's okay to get your. Your stomach on through the ball and facing down the target line before impact, you just want to leave your shoulders back. And now I just have to kind of feel like I get there before I extend.
And again, I've not even tried this yet, but I think that's where I'm.
I'm kind of going with this is that as long as I'm holding the posture long enough to get down to that position you're talking about, I can extend the crap out of it through impact. And in fact, I need to. It's not. And then that's what releases the club. Because good luck trying to hold on to the golf club while. And not really while you're firing your hips that hard.
[00:47:21] Speaker A: And that's what I've always told. You know, you can go up and down the driving range and you can watch people and people that you know are in golf posture and they stand up immediately, they're never going to have power and lag because it's already gone. And again, there's a difference between extension or there's a difference between extending the hips this way, firing hips forward and going vertical out of posture or going vertical.
[00:47:44] Speaker B: I told you in the beginning. This is the best golf podcast ever. And this is why. Where else do you get a stuffed.
[00:47:50] Speaker A: That's right. Stuffy.
[00:47:51] Speaker B: What is that?
[00:47:51] Speaker A: Because you got what kind of dogs with kids. It's a wolf. It's a husky or whatever.
[00:47:55] Speaker C: Wolf.
[00:47:55] Speaker B: Yeah, but.
[00:47:56] Speaker A: But right. This doesn't do anything.
Okay. This doesn't do anything.
[00:48:05] Speaker B: And there's real. There's your.
[00:48:07] Speaker A: This is what you get.
That's what you get when you don't let me stand up.
[00:48:11] Speaker C: We both are. We're both single right now. And you're. You're.
Yeah. You're wolf. It's just we're not. I'm not in a good flip side.
[00:48:25] Speaker B: That wolves getting more action than I have in a year.
[00:48:28] Speaker A: Look, this is. This is what happens when you restrict me from standing up when I can't demonstrate. I gotta sit here. You now have full range ways to explain things.
[00:48:39] Speaker B: We're gonna get full range. Feel free to roll about the cabin, bud.
[00:48:43] Speaker A: You have to blur out the wolf there.
[00:48:50] Speaker B: Well, that's enough.
[00:48:51] Speaker C: I hope my mom.
[00:48:52] Speaker B: That's enough. Parametric acceleration.
[00:48:55] Speaker C: Seriously?
[00:48:56] Speaker A: Well, so one last question.
[00:48:58] Speaker B: Totally.
[00:48:58] Speaker A: I was gonna say. Yeah, I was gonna say one more time.
[00:49:00] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:49:01] Speaker A: Is. Is again we talk about, you know, the people coming out of posture, jumping, whatever. Again. There's a difference between the hips coming forward and the Head going backward and extending and standing. Does that make sense?
Like, the lead leg can straighten and the left shoulder can go up without the whole hips and everything going this way.
[00:49:23] Speaker B: So, Mike or Tony, either one of you, what is a good.
Are we back to the cable chops there? I mean, what's. What's something you can do in the gym to train that feeling?
[00:49:32] Speaker A: Cable chops and medicine ball tosses, I say are pretty good.
[00:49:36] Speaker B: Okay.
All right.
Before we have to get Cujo back out, different, different topics. So, on the topic of. Of of practice habits, I think I've. I've turned. I may have turned a corner so much that I've done a complete U turn, but I've noticed a lot here lately that when I'm starting to get into my head a little bit with my swing or I'm getting too many things in my head, too many thoughts, too many mechanics, whatever, the way I reset is to say, okay, I'm just gonna go play nine holes or 18 holes, or I'm just gonna go play. Because once I get on the golf, when I'm playing a round of golf on the simulator or whatever, it sort of forces me to abandon all the swing thoughts and just try to hit golf shots. And surprisingly, I end up playing better. So I've ended up going on a little kick where that's most of my practice time. Now I'm going in. I'm hitting about 15, 20 balls to get loose, and once I'm loose, I'm playing 18 holes or 36 or ever how long I'm. I think I've logged, like 23 rounds in the last month just on the. On the sim.
And thinking back to it, some of the best golf I've ever played.
None of the best golf I've ever played has happened at a time that I was pounding 300 golf balls a day. All of my best golf has come from times that I was playing 36 a day or 54 a day when I was in college.
And maybe practicing for 30 minutes or an hour here and there when I didn't have time to play 18. But I was mostly on the golf course. And it just gave me this epiphany. It's like, well, if we're. Look, we spent so many, so much time on the podcast talking about ways you can simulate golf situations in your practice. One of the best ways to simulate golf situations in your practice is to practice by just going out and playing.
So I've almost come full circle. The point where it's like, that's that's my practice routine. If I need to work on some drills, I'll do that. But I'm just going to play a boatload of golf on the sim and see how many holes I can log.
And, you know, it.
For, you know, simplest explanation, that's. Is there a better way to simulate playing golf than to just play golf? Or is that a, is that too much? Is that too extreme?
[00:51:34] Speaker A: No, again, you want to play like the best, you got to model how they play.
[00:51:39] Speaker B: That was a long pause for a one word answer.
[00:51:42] Speaker A: Well, I didn't know if Mike was going to jump in. I was waiting for Mike.
[00:51:44] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:51:47] Speaker A: So if you want to simulate, you know, if you want to be, you're welcome. You want to model your, your training and practice habits after those who do it best. And again, that's the whole point of the practice rounds. The pros play those two practice rounds before each tournament. What are they doing? They're playing the course. Now, they might drop two or three balls in different scenarios and simulate different rough lies, or if you got a plugged bunker, lie here, this, that and the other.
But that's what they're doing is they're on the golf course. They're not, they're not simulating the round on the driving range. They're going to the golf course to play. So, yeah, if you want to, you know, have the best transfer, they, we in the PGA lingo, they call it transfer practice. Right. Like, what can you do in practice time that transfers directly to the golf course or most closely to the golf course?
So if you're doing short game practice, it's not just hitting the same chip 30 times in a row. It's varying the lie every time, varying the target.
Making a game where you have consequences, Right.
Point values, stuff like that, to try and put pressure on it.
Yeah. But there's no substitute for actually being on the course. And that's the hard part. Right. It's because people are like, I want to get better at golf. And so they think, well, therefore I have to get a perfect golf swing first or I gotta get a perfect putting stroke. And it's like, well, that's just, you know, not necessarily how golf works.
[00:53:03] Speaker C: Right.
Yeah.
[00:53:05] Speaker A: Because again, driving mats are always nice and flat, but the golf course is not.
[00:53:10] Speaker C: Oh, that's, that's where I would run into. Because I go, I'd go hit over McGregor on the mats. Well, even though I was playing baseball, go hitting the cage for like, I think I was like Garrett's twin when it came on the baseball side, I would just live in the cage. And then I get out into a game like this. Doesn't feel like anything because I spent so much time in the cage, but not. I'm not in live game action.
But I wanted to ask you guys.
So I'm. I work with guys. They're playing three to five times a week, and I, you know, obviously I ask them how they're. How they're. Was your last round. Tell me about it.
And a lot of times it's. It's the same stuff. They're running into the same problems. They're playing the same course, and they're running into the same issues.
So how do you. If you're playing three to five times a week, but you're not practicing, how can they get. How can. What do they have to do to get better? Do they have to, like, play one of those rounds? Like, I'm just gonna. This is a practice round. Because these guys play so much, they're not practicing. They're made. You know, they may go putt a little bit, but they're not going to the chipping area, which is on the other side of the. Of the course.
Over by me, it's over by the gym. They're not. I never see my guys chipping in the chipping area. So how do you, you know, Garrett's like, you just gotta play more. But my guys are playing every day and they're not getting better. Yeah. What do you do?
[00:54:40] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, obviously it's a. All multifaceted part of the puzzle you're working on here. And yes, the drills and the swing technique is a part of it. The putting games, the short game games are a part of it. But what I would say probably for them is, is they need to do two main things.
They need to start actually doing some data logging and statistical analysis of their game. Which holes give them the most trouble, like which one do they double or triple bogey the most often? And why? Is it the tee shot? Is it the approach, whatever. And then you can start to formulate a game plan. Even if you're not going to work on your actual skills, you can formulate a game plan to try and play the game differently. Right? So we've got a whole lot at Eagle Ridge. Garrett knows which one I'm talking about. Number 12.
Okay. And number 12 is probably the hardest driving hole on the golf course because especially from the tips, there's just no. No place to miss it. And there's trouble everywhere. And it's always blowing left to right. The ball always gets pushed towards the hazard and this, that, and the other. And so what I've told people is, you know, they. They. They're always stressed about this shot. I said, what if I told you this was a par 5 or a par 4 and a half instead of a par 4? How would that change how you'd play this hole? They'd be like, oh, well, probably wouldn't do what I normally do. I'd do it this way, and then I'd lay up, and then I'd pitch on, and I'd try to make up and down for a five set of, you know, a four.
And I was like, cool, play it that way for the next four times you play it. And let me know how you get on.
Oh, I averaged like a five overall. I'm like, and would you take a five on that hole if I gave you a five from the tee box, from the tips every single day? They said, absolutely. I'm like, well, there you go, right? So sometimes it's just reframing a hole from being a par four to a par five, a par three to a par four, whatever. Because really, what we're trying to do is take away the big number. Where's the 6? Where's the 7? Where's the 8? Right? Where's the 10? How do we avoid those? But if they start tracking their stats, too, they'll also see, okay, I only get up and down 20% of the time. Okay, I have six, three putts around. Okay, I hit four balls out of bounds on certain holes, you know, or certain stretches. And so then they either need to just aim better or they need to choose a different club and accept that they're not going to get on and two or whatever the case may be. But if you're not tracking your stats and you don't have a dedicated strategy to addressing those troublesome holes or those stretches or whatever, again, you're just playing. And then don't get mad if you don't get better.
[00:57:04] Speaker B: There is a balance, I think, between the. The two extremes. I mean, and I think I would frame it like this, maybe when I'm playing really bad.
I tend to approach practices, okay, I'm going to practice, you know, 20% of my time on shots inside 100 yards and 20% of my time on irons and 20% on chipping and putting, and 20 on my driver, 20% on my.
Whatever. I've not said yet. Long irons, whatever. But it's. It's somehow. And it may not be Even proportions. But it's some allocation to working on every part of my game a little bit.
And then when I'm playing a lot, it's not that I just refuse to practice, but some of the best golf I ever played. I was working at Greenville Country Club and when I was in college and they didn't have a very good driving range, it was only like 200 yards long. So I never really got to hit driver a whole lot, but I had to work on my short game a lot. And that was when I was playing a lot because I was like, well, I don't have a driving range really. So I hardly ever went over there. But what would happen is if I had a round where I went out and shot, you know, 75 with four, three putts, then I would go back and if I was struggling with speed, then I would spend an hour working on 30 to 50 foot lag putting. And if I had a round where I shot 77 and miss, you know, six putts inside of five feet, then I'd spend an hour working on short putts. And it's so. It's almost reactionary to your, to your performance as opposed to trying to consciously work on every single aspect of your game. And I don't know, Tony, you might, I don't know if this is. I'm not suggesting this is a solution as much as maybe a question. Is that a smart way to play? Because some players are going to naturally be better at certain things than others. I'm. I tend to be, you know, a decent.
Hell, I don't even know what to tell you I'm good at. I used to say I was a good driver of the golf ball, but I don't feel like I can get a fair way if my life depended on it right now. That's been my, my weakness. But I think tend to be a pretty solid.
[00:58:54] Speaker A: I'm just saying I think you need a new driver. That's just me being honest with you.
[00:58:59] Speaker B: I think so too. I think we need to talk about that. I also need some grips. I mean you've gave me grief over my grips before. They are literally peeling off of about four clubs at this point. I've got to, I need to come, I need to come see you at some point here pretty soon. But no, I think that.
[00:59:16] Speaker A: Talk to me about this. Let's come over and do right to get crazy busy. Had the whole winter break, but now he's like, well, I need some new grips.
[00:59:24] Speaker B: Our free time doesn't line up because when you get home for Christmas break. I have kids home for Christmas break, so I. That was like the two weeks I could do nothing was when you were out. So, yeah, that was a problem. But.
But I've got to.
A lot of times, though, it was. You. You can just kind of react to your. And stat tracking something I've gone too far on. I had it to a point where I. I was keeping so many stats that, I mean, PGATour.com has nothing on what I was keeping up with. I had everything. You can overanalyze.
[00:59:54] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:59:54] Speaker A: The amount of. You need to have your basing per round.
[00:59:57] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, Tony, we got fairways, greens, up and down, percentage, putting. I think you know your basics. You need to know your fundamentals well.
[01:00:06] Speaker A: So here's one of the things where I would say, yes, but let's modify it a little bit differently. So instead of fairways, you can track fairways, but also track what's called good drive.
And good drive is just basically, you advance the ball and you have a clear shot at the green. You're not obstructed by trees, you're not in a hazard or whatever. Right. So good drive just means it was basically in play, not behind trees or other hazards. Right. Not enough fairway bunker. And then the other one, I would say instead of greens and regulation, you can track that, but also track near green and regulation. And a near green and regulation. Basically the fringe or anywhere that theoretically you could putt or a chip. You know, that's. That's. That's the only two things I would add to that pretty much. And then my frowny faces.
[01:00:47] Speaker B: Yeah. Because it's.
I think that's the most important stat, honestly. I mean, I think that's a. That, that's a great. And that's something I never tracked before, but it's something. It's probably. The thing that's. Is probably the highest correlator to score that I've seen is the frowny face. Frowny faces.
[01:01:02] Speaker C: No. Or remind me again what when you. The frowny face.
[01:01:07] Speaker A: Yeah, the frowny face was basically if you made a mental mistake or if you didn't commit to a shot or you didn't go through your routine or something.
Right. Or you didn't get over a shot that didn't go your way.
So in a. In a hole, how many frowny or in the round of golf, how many frowny faces do you have? And I think what I found for me is if I can keep my frowny faces under five, I typically will have a Very low round. And so when you write that first frowny face, that's supposed to be your trigger to wake up, dummy, right? And get back in the game, let it go. Let the past be the past or whatever. And if you start to see two or three frowny faces back to back to back, then you really need to wake yourself up because obviously something's in your head or you're not focused.
[01:01:45] Speaker B: Well, and to Tony's other point there about the statistics, I mean, when I finish up around at Solly's, I go in and look at the stats. It tracks it for you. And I've had rounds where I felt like I drove the ball great.
And it says I hit four fairways, but it's because I was in the light rough six feet out of the fairway five times, right? Or, you know, days that I felt like I was, man, I was really dialed in with my irons. And it says I hit eight greens, but I was just off the fringe seven times. You know, things like that. So stats can be misleading. But I've also heard the one too, for higher handicap players.
Three putts, penalty shots, and what's the other? There's a third one that's, that's usually mixed into that. Penalty shots, double chips, I think is the third one that I've heard for higher handicap players. If you can just, if you're chipping, get it on the green and just don't miss. Don't ever end up, you know, flubbing or sculling chips. Three putts and penalty shots. And I mean, I've had rounds that got away with me from those things.
Those are just kind of, man, you talk about wasted shots. Those are some that you definitely feel like getting.
[01:02:45] Speaker A: Well, and even just that for the higher candy, higher handicap, being aware of that, no three putts and no two chips changes how aggressive you are with that initial shot, right? Let's say you're just off the green, but there's a ridge. You know, let's say you've got the pin here and then there's a ridge and it goes down to another part of the green where if you hit that ridge, you're toast. Now you're three putting easily, right? It's just. Okay, maybe the chip isn't the play here because I have a tendency to thin them a little bit. Maybe I do just need to putt it somewhat defensively to try to get it to within eight feet of the hole. And then I two putt from there, maybe make the eight foot putt, but it's almost like going through a hierarchy. Like a, like you talked about planes and the plane crashes. Like, what's my checklist? Okay, engines, fuel, blinkers, whatever your car, you know, whatever do you do in your car, whatever vehicle you operate. But having that, that process to say, okay, where's.
Where what's the main priority here? Okay, don't hit it out of bounds. Cool. So either going to take driver, we're going to aim it way over here to where out of bounds is not even a factor because there's probably room over here, another fairway or something because that is, that's where the big, the big holes and the blow up holes come is someone tries to do something they're not skilled enough to do or their game's just not there yet. And that's how they blow the score up. Doing, doing stuff they don't have any business doing. Like, you can save like 110 shooter, you can save them strokes, even a 90s 80s shooter, you could save them strokes every round just by having them play slightly less aggressively when they don't need to.
[01:04:14] Speaker B: Yeah, that was a good friend of mine. We used to play a decent amount of golf together and he was a high 9, high 80s, low 90s player.
And that was his thing was when we played together, he always played better. But it was always from him just saying, where should I hit this? And I would just tell him the simple things like, no, why are you aiming for that back right pin that's got six feet of room to work with when you can miss it as far left as you want to all day long? And then when you get down there to chip, why, why are you trying to hit a flop shot here, get it on the green, you know? Would you take a five from here? Yeah, I'll take five. Well then just hit a little bump and run and get it up there.
[01:04:49] Speaker A: You know, I mean, it reminds me.
[01:04:50] Speaker B: A little bit, Tony, when you and I, when you and I met this year, that was my first. I think it was your first round of the year. Maybe you had said you were just. And I was like, it was made my fourth. And we both kind of said each other, we were just trying to knock the rust off a little bit. Did I play a heck of a lot more conservative that day than I would, you know, now? Because coming out of the winter break, I haven't played much golf in five years or whatever. If I was 20 yards off the green, anything on the green I was going to be okay with, you know what I mean? So Even better players after a long break. I mean, just don't do the, just don't do anything stupid. That's a pretty decent strategy.
[01:05:24] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, like, think about it again. Where do your big scores come from? They often come from out of bounds, T balls or penalty balls or three putts or two chips. You're right. So almost, almost thinking about it like this, like, let's imagine every hole has a wall, like a mission impossible laser beam wall. And if your ball touches that wall, you're done golfing for the rest of the day. You know what I mean? Like, if, if people would almost like operate with that kind of tunnel vision. I'm not allowed for the ball to go anywhere. Over here, over here. How would they play to just keep it in play? I mean, and again, most people who are a 80 shooter or whatever, they have a club that they can hit at least 125, 550 yards and keep it within a 60 yard window. Well, how long is a short par four, 360 to 400 yards. If they just went eight iron, eight iron wedge, they could break 90 almost every single time if that's how far the par fours are. Right, because they're going to make a bogey at worst, you know, so it's, it's like there's, there's ways to do it even if your skills with the other close driver or whatever isn't quite where you want it to be yet.
There's ways to play the game with way less stress. But it has to match, obviously the skill level and what your goals are and what you're trying to accomplish.
But, and this is the thing I find coaching though is a lot of people say they want to improve their scores, but really what they want to do is just hit the ball better and have a nice swing. They don't really care about the scores because if, if I told them, if I took your driver out of the bag and only gave you these six clubs, you'd probably shoot the best score of your life.
And if you let me coach you and tell you exactly where to hit it and what to do, they're like, well, that doesn't sound any fun. I'm like, I know. So you see what I'm saying? It's like a conflation of interests. I want my scores to drop, but I only want to do it this way. And I, you know, so it's just a, it's a tough thing. Like I said, I shot even par with that four club challenge with just four Clubs, you know, like. And that was not sexy golf. It wasn't anything fancy. Just try to get it on or near the green and figure it out from there.
[01:07:28] Speaker B: I remember when I was in high school, I had my driver being worked on. I don't know if it was getting reshaftered or what. I didn't have a driver one day and I went out and played with just. I just had to tee off with a three wood the whole round.
13 out of 14 fairways shot 72. And I was like, why do I have a driver in the first place? Well, I mean, I read to, to the point that I was. Yeah, to the point I was making a minute ago about the.
When you and I met, I was playing a little bit more on the conservative side. And then you look at how many shots I pissed away over the summer when I was playing a little bit, trying to hit those impossible two iron cut hybrids and all that stuff. I mean, like, I wouldn't have tried that in February, but you know, I'll try it in August. And my, I don't know, I've told this story before, but my ultimate example of this, it was one round, I shot like 46 and lost almost every ball in the bag on the front nine and I only had one left and I got to the back nine and I was like, I don't care, come hell or I water, I just can't lose this ball. Shot 37 on the back. I'd hit nothing but like four iron off the tee because I was just trying to stay out of trouble and shoot 37. So yeah, there's a lot that can be learned from those types of things.
[01:08:29] Speaker A: Absolutely. And again, I think the, the stats from Arcos have increased a little bit, but I think the average scrap or I think a scratch golfer, a few years ago, they only averaged. I think it was 240 or 250 off the tee. That's, that's not far. You know, it's not this monster 300 yard drives. But again, if people are playing the appropriate length tee boxes for their distances, then they have the chance to shoot the scores they want.
If they don't, you are playing a harder game. No ifs, ands or buts about it. You know, and people can learn a lot too. Just by saying, okay, if I was going to play the safest round of golf possible to get one of those apps, you know, like a GPS app or anything online. There's different apps you can find online.
Google Earth even, or whatever. It's like if I can only hit the ball 200 yards with a tee shot. How would I play this round of golf? Where do I have to put this ball? Or where's the safest place for the first shot? Then if you can't get on in two, where's the safest place for the next shot? Now, when you get onto the green, where can I not be? Where's the dangerous fly on the green? Just. And literally just drop a ball there. Right. And now you've kind of got a strategy for the safe golf. But again, if. And this is the other thing too, that's just so mind blogging is if people would just work from 30 yards in end with their chipping and their putting, they would save so many strokes, so many strokes.
Because if we know we're not going to get there in two, nine times out of 10, or we're not going to get on in green regulation nine times out of 10, you have to work on your short game. You have to. And that's the easy stuff because it's free. You can go to any public course and go to the chipping and the putting green. People just don't want to do it. They just don't want to do it. Even if it's just get a hybrid shot that you can punch. Boring and putt.
[01:10:12] Speaker B: No fun.
[01:10:13] Speaker A: You see. Exactly. It's no fun.
So they don't do it.
So they don't get lower scores.
[01:10:19] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:10:20] Speaker A: Because that ain't no fun.
[01:10:21] Speaker B: All right, boys, well, I think that's enough for today. Well, thank you both, as always.
And if you are, if you're still here listening or watching us, we appreciate all of your time. And hit them good out there, guys. Appreciate it. Talk to y' all later.
[01:10:35] Speaker C: Tony, I'll see you Saturday.
[01:10:39] Speaker A: What do you want for your birthday?
[01:10:40] Speaker B: Happy birthday. That. I'm so sorry I'm not going to be there. Happy early birthday. In my absence, I need to.
[01:10:50] Speaker C: Hang on.
[01:10:51] Speaker B: Y' all, hush.
[01:10:53] Speaker C: Be quiet.
Dad is trying to say something.
[01:11:02] Speaker B: This is important.
You're interrupted.
[01:11:07] Speaker A: Anyway, what do you want for your birthday?
[01:11:10] Speaker C: Nothing. Everybody to show up, to say they're going to show up.
