Coiling the Body Through the Spiral Line

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Coiling and releasing basically is there's a rubber band that connects down here all the way around the stuffed animal to here. So as we shift and coil, watch what's gonna happen. Okay, I'm just gonna let go and it goes. So coiling is basically the shoulders turning the chest turning against some form of resistance of the lower body. [00:00:29] Speaker B: This may be an outtake, but this is the most epic segment of the best golf podcast ever. Well, welcome to episode 14 of the Best golf podcast ever with the absent. [00:00:44] Speaker C: Mike Hendricks trying to fix the lighting in here. Ah, don't worry about lighting some sun out. [00:00:52] Speaker B: Yeah, this where I'm sitting right now. Certain times of day, it's really bad. You've got. You're seeing like the blind background. Yeah, my. I have a virtual backdrop. You guys don't need to see my. I'm in my bedroom. You don't want to see that. If I turn my background off right now, you would see really quickly that I'm a single guy. It's the most obviously single guy apartment ever. [00:01:13] Speaker A: Well, I just got. I'm in my video game playroom for the kids and I just got Spider man comic cover and Pokemon. That's all I got. [00:01:22] Speaker B: It's a good one. Well, guys, good to. Good to see. I had a lot of fun at Sully's last week with our best golf podcast ever. Christmas party, whatever we called that. That was Shout Out. Sully's Shout Out. Sully's our. The left hand challenge. Which, you know, I just want to point out that. [00:01:40] Speaker C: Don't even go there. I was already thinking about a rebuttal because you're gonna brag about beating us and I like. You play 30 hours a week at Sully's and you never left about. But never left handed, but you putted right handed. [00:01:57] Speaker B: That's because you can't help. [00:01:59] Speaker C: My virtual putting was my bugaboo. [00:02:03] Speaker B: Putting on the sim is. Can. Can be a challenge for sure until you figure out and I think even like Tony's problem when we were doing the league thing, it wasn't even like. It wasn't that you didn't. Couldn't figure out the sim. You were hitting eight foot putts that were going 40ft. And you know, so sometimes I figure that one out. Yeah, it can be a little. Little wonky sometimes. Anyway. Well, I've started working out and Tony's started working out again. So. See, Tony, I don't think it's been quite as long since you've worked out as it has me that other than A very short little stint where I maybe went like three times. Maybe in like August, September we first started doing this. This is the first time I've really been in the gym. 2019. So I knew and I knew I was in for a. Knowing this. Like I very intentionally. First day was very lightweight. You know, just go through, don't, don't hurt yourself, don't pull anything. Yeah. And I did not push myself at all, really. In fact, I only did two sets. My workout was set for three sets of everything. I did two sets lightweight. And I woke up the next day already sore. And I was like, oh crap. I. It's bad when you go light and you're still sore. Um, but I was really surprised last week that. Cause I think one of my hangups with working out is I didn't really want to try to start working out what we call in season, which I've joked before. I only play inside. There's really not an end season for inside golf. But you know, I didn't really want to start while I was, you know, trying to play, you know, league play or whatever. But we got a little month break before the next league starts. I was like, okay, that would be a good time to go ahead and go through the work. But I've been really surprised that it hasn't really affected my performance at all. I'm not, you know, it's not slowed me down, cost me any distance. I'm not sore. I have been working out after I practice, so it's, you know. But I still thought there might be some type of a carryover. But I remember texting you guys Friday morning. I was like, today's not going to be a speed day. I can barely move. But I still was hitting the ball pretty much normal. So I was really surprised by that. I don't know if you guys have any, any feedback on that at all, but I have no idea why that is. But I was expecting to see like a big dip in, you know, distance, speed, whatever for the first week or so. But it hasn't seemed to be the case. I guess it's just all the massive muscle that I'm building is compensating for the, the fact that it's tired. But I don't know if you guys have any, any other theories. [00:04:30] Speaker C: Well, you know, this is a very non technical. Tony could probably give you some science behind it. But I, I think sometimes when you're going in and it's like when you're sick, you know, and you're like, you're not expecting much. And you just. Somehow you play well because you're more relaxed. And I think maybe you went in with low expectations. You're like, I should be sore. And you probably were just in a little bit different mental state. And maybe you got into a little flow state, but just because you felt different, you know, and sometimes when you feel different, you. It affects your mental, and you just maybe came out with a little different. Different performance. So it doesn't shock me. [00:05:13] Speaker B: Yeah, well, I have. I do have a theory, Tony. Do you have something to submit for the. For the group before I give mine? [00:05:20] Speaker A: Let me hear your theory. [00:05:23] Speaker B: Well, my theory is that, if anything, the. I'm pretty pleased with what I've been doing. Even though I haven't been going to the gym, I have been listening to you guys. Okay, not a. And I'm just slowly starting to apply more and more about what you guys. It only takes 14 episodes for me to finally start listening. So one of the things is I was kind of. I was like, okay, I need to go to the gym, but I don't. I don't want to waste energy and effort doing things that aren't relevant to golf. So I just started thinking about the golf swing piece by piece, muscle by muscle, and thinking, okay, what's the. The most efficient workout that I can put together is not going to waste any energy. And so everything that I do corresponds to some type of a. A movement in golf or a feeling I'm trying to simulate in golf, whatever. And a lot of what I'm doing is with resistance bands, which I really like, because you can do the same workout or the same lift a lot of different ways. But the resistance bands, to me, seems to be like, the most relevant to the golf swing because as you're increasing tension, it's getting harder and harder to maintain that tension. And a lot of what we're doing in the golf swing is trying to build tension, right? So, like a dumbbell, if I'm trying to do a. Even a curl or something with a dumbbell, once you get past that 90 degree mark or whatever, it actually starts to get easier. But with a resistance band, it's getting harder and harder and harder. The. The more resistance you put on it. So as much as I can, I'm doing that. And I guess all that to say, my theory is that I think that whatever tearing down of the muscles it might be doing, I think it's also being offset by maybe just a little bit better technique. And I'm actually getting my body in the Correct positions a little bit better just because I'm. That's half of what I'm trying to do. Obviously, build strength is part of it, but the other thing is create the tension in the gym that I want to feel when I'm playing so that I can, you know, when I'm practicing, I can try to. You know, that's proprioception. Again, that word that I can't say, but you guys seem to think so highly of is I'm. This is a very proprioceptive workout. Every single thing I'm doing is trying to create a sensation that I want to feel. And I'm having a blast doing it because it is. It's like. I think every day I've done it, it's. I go to Soly's, and the gym's like, three minutes down the road, so I just leave Solis and go there. And it feels like an extension of my practice. It's just now I'm practicing without a golf club. So, anyway, I don't know. So I'm assuming once the muscles do get recovered, I'll be just destroying the ball with my better technique and stronger muscles. [00:07:43] Speaker A: So, anyway, yeah, my. My theory is just that you're, again, as you've talked about, you're starting to be more efficient in your movements, less wasted energy. And I just think that your movement patterns are becoming much more fluid and much more correctly timed and sequenced so that, again, all you're doing is stretching those. Those lines and letting them go. And whether you're sore or stiff, you're not actively adding to the hit. So the muscles don't really have much to do aside from be stretched and then let go. [00:08:15] Speaker B: Yeah, that's a good point, because. [00:08:19] Speaker A: I. [00:08:19] Speaker B: Was joking when I said that the other day, but Friday was a great time to work on rhythm because I hurt too hard, too much to try to swing hard. It was just like, you know, but I'm. [00:08:30] Speaker C: And I've. [00:08:31] Speaker B: Tony and I have talked about this a lot on other podcasts and also just texting and talking with each other, but I am finally really starting to get that concept that, you know, I've even started to notice when I accidentally add to it on the way down. I can see that reflected in my swing speed. And it's like the other day, I was struggling just a little bit, and I. And I just kind of felt out of sorts. I was like, okay, I just gotta. Now my go to thought when I want to knock the crap out of it is to slow down. Like, that's it's weird. Like, if I've got. If I'm really trying to step on one, that's my swing thought is just relax. [00:09:10] Speaker A: And. [00:09:10] Speaker B: And that does correspond to speed. So I think it's in some ways the workout making me tired and, you know, make my muscle sore has helped me to do that more and more because it hurts too much to add to it. But I don't know, good stuff and I'm enjoying. I'll send you the workout, Mike, so you can take a look at it. And. And I welcome feedback. I mean, this was something that. It's definitely not Mike Hendricks approved by any means. It's just. It's some of it stuff that we have worked on before, so I know that it's okay. But anyway, I'm having. [00:09:43] Speaker A: As long as you're not. As long as you're not stacking dumbbells and standing on them with one foot while trying to overhand chop with a resistance banner. [00:09:53] Speaker B: No box. [00:09:54] Speaker A: Have you seen some of those, Mike, where like, the guys are like, doing handstands, press ups on like, dumbbells or other kind of crazy stuff. I'm just like, that's really cool that you have such great stabilizers, but one mistake and you've broken your neck or something, or your face is no longer your face. I just. There comes a point. [00:10:15] Speaker C: Yeah, the. The risk versus reward. You know, Titans, they talk about trying to make a movement more complex. You know, how can you make a chest press more complex? You know, sticking somebody on a ball or using a band and. Or going into a lunge position, you know, whatever it is. But then, yeah, there's this line that you cross about being creative and being cutting edge to where you're just putting your client or yourself in a position where, like, if you get hurt, especially with a sport, like if you're training for golf, you get hurt, and then you can't play for two weeks, you know, then you're going into rehab and seeing a physical therapist or whatever. So. Yeah, that's a great point. I want to. I want to circle back to Sully's because last week was the first time we all three got together and did golf together, and it was so fun. I got to go to Sully's for the first time, and I love it. I wish I was closer to it where I could meet up with you guys more. And, you know, I. I've been frustrated with my swing for years, and I told you guys the story. Like, I. I'm right handed. I do everything right handed. Played baseball right handed. And I'm. But I. I made the decision a couple years ago. Like, it's just not working. I had golf college coaches tell me, I don't. I can't help you. Like, all right, I'm gonna go left handed. And I felt good about it, and. But it was just awesome for Tony to give me some feedback and just helping me get into a rhythm and not necessarily thinking about hand placement and technique, but I just. Just helping me get into rhythm. And then, like Garrett was saying, not trying to add to. On the downswing. Yeah, it was just awesome to be in real time and just all the things that Tony talks about when we're together, but just to. To do it in real time and have that feedback. And, I mean, I'm like a dog, man. You give me a couple, like, praises. Good job. Good job. I was like, yeah, let's do it. More of it. So just thank you to Tony for. For helping and you guys for having a good attitude, because you guys play. We played a little Candy Cane Par 3, which is kind of where I'm at. And just for you guys to have a good attitude and play left handed with me, it was really fun. And so hopefully we can do more of that. [00:13:02] Speaker A: Well, and if you can't tell, I'm a huge cheerleader when it comes to my coaching, like, I'm just, you know, like, I love it. I love to hype people up because, you know, when you. When you get to coaching and teaching or even, like, and the fitness side, right? You know, someone increases their bench press or their squat by 10 pounds, and they don't think that's a big deal, but it is a big deal. Like, for a lot of people, that's a huge win. Same thing with golf. You know, it's. It's tough to feel like you're making good progress when we're just trying to make contact with the ball or we're just trying to understand some basic motion. And so when you can provide that feedback or that encouragement that really encourages and motivates a student to be like, okay, I'm onto something. Like, even if I don't quite have it down yet, at least I know I'm in the right direction. It's exciting, right? But the other thing I was gonna say, too, is I think you got to give yourself a lot more credit because Garrett and I are sitting there on the couch watching you, and I'm like, look at his backswing. It looks phenomenal. Look at this. It looks great. Look at that. It Looks great. And then we're talking. I'm like, now watch this. And sure enough, Garrett's like, I see it. I see it. And we knew exactly, like, again, where you were lacking. But so it was fun to work with you. And you said a very important thing there at the end. You said, I really enjoyed you guys playing with me, the candy cane thing. And I think a lot of times we. We forget that golf is a game to be played. It is something to have fun with, and it's something to enjoy. Like, I went out and played nine holes today for the first time since, I don't know, late November. I just went out with my buddy. We walked nine holes, and I hadn't hit a golf ball in probably a month or almost a month. It's been so cold and busy and everything in the semester. And I just went out and had fun. You know, I hit five or six balls in the range to warm up. Bought a hybrid with my. My winnings from the year, my little in shop credit. Bought that and put it in play and had a lot of fun and just enjoyed the experience. You know, it was playtime. It wasn't a tournament. It wasn't competing. But we got to remember, like, if we're not doing it because it's enjoyable or fun, then what's the point? [00:15:05] Speaker B: Yeah. And I think that that's something that I really. There's a couple of guys at Soly's that have, you know, texted me and said, hey, let's get together and. And play either on the golf course or. Or even get together at Soly's and play 18 holes when you're used to being in there. Like, I'm going in two, three hours a day, and I'm just pounding ball after ball after ball, and I'm trying to do different things to mix it up and mix up my routine and stuff. But at the end of the day, I'm trying to max out as. And get as much golf time as I can. [00:15:34] Speaker C: Right. [00:15:35] Speaker B: And as much. As many reps as I can. And getting together with guys from Solis when we. When playing 18 holes. Yeah, I'm not going to get as many reps in as if it's just me playing by myself. But it's a different. You're practicing something different. It's an opportunity. Because when you go out and play real golf, you're not going to knock out 18 holes in 37 minutes or whatever my average is. Right. You. It's a way to practice, even for an indoor thing. It's it's practicing, waiting, practicing having to think in between shots and not just being able to rake another ball and hit it. Playing what we did the other day, I thought was a really great exercise for a couple of reasons. Tony was talking about while we were there that a lot of his students, they'll have them hit the ball left handed because that's what you feel, that's what a beginner feels like, right? So as, as comfortable as I am, I literally think I could close my eyes and hit a ball 75 yards 8 times out of 10 with right handed right. My body just knows what it's doing left handed. I don't know what the hell I'm doing, right. So I was having to very consciously think about what's the body supposed to do, what would I be doing on this side of it. And I didn't play great. I was able to make a couple of decent swings throughout the, the nine holes or whatever we played. But you know, there's something I think to be said, Tony, you might know this. Did I hear that Tiger is scratched left handed? I feel like I've heard that story from some well known pros or some, some golfer that they're, they're so, their body awareness is so good that they're a scratch golfer left handed. I don't know if there's any truth to it or not, but I don't. [00:17:07] Speaker A: Know if I've never heard that about Tiger. I mean, my, my good buddy Colin McCarthy, who I take lessons from and influences my coaching a lot, he's scratched both directions like he taught himself how to play left handed. And yeah, he, yeah, it's pretty cool. [00:17:23] Speaker B: I mean, there's very, very few times that I'm ever going to try to hit a shot left handed. But occasionally you will end up in a situation where you need to be able to turn the club upside down and make contact with it. And if you can be, you know, I'm not going to carry a left handed club, so I'd have to be doing it with the club upside down. But it's no. Do I want to spend two hours a day practicing left handed? No, but it's a good thing to mix into your practice time. And I think sometimes, especially for someone like me who loves to just sit there and pound balls, you know, ball after ball after ball, it's good to change things up a little bit and do something a little bit more, you know, call it creative or whatever, just to keep it fun. I mean, I, I love this game. Probably it says A lot about my mental makeup that I love this game so much, but I absolutely love this game. But some days I still don't feel like playing and it's not my job. [00:18:11] Speaker C: Right. [00:18:12] Speaker B: It's just for. It's just a hobby. [00:18:13] Speaker C: Right. [00:18:14] Speaker B: But there have been times this week that I've. I really don't feel like going in today, but I, I should and I want to, but sometimes you can kind of lose the fun a little bit, even for amateurs, you know, it can become a chore instead of something that's fun. So I completely agree with what Tony said. It's a game. Have fun. And I had a great time doing that. That was a blast the other day. So I'm glad we did it. I hope we can do it a lot more very soon. And. Yeah, and my props to you, man, you were, it was. I was telling Tony, I don't know if you heard this, but, you know, you're obviously athletic, right? I mean, you've played sports, you're a trainer. But the other times that I had seen you swinging a golf club, you were very rigid and you, you know, you didn't have that flow that Tony's always. But as you were starting, one of the things that I said to Tony is you're really starting to see Mike's athleticism starting to show because as you loosened up and you got a lot more fluid, you looked like an athlete. And obviously I knew you were an athlete, but you didn't really look like one with a golf club in your hand. First few times. I see. But as you relax, you started to look like the athlete that we knew you are. So it was really cool to see. And man, Tony, you, you're a hell of a teacher, Tony, because not just from, you know, the. It's not like this was a four hour lesson with Mike. Mike, you spent what, 15, 20 minutes with him before we got out there and started playing. I mean, Tony is very efficient. When he says something, you try it and it. And if it doesn't work, he finds a new way to say it. But I don't know that I've ever not gotten anything out of a session with Tony or a conversation with Tony or anything. I mean, you're, you're just, you're very efficient. You get a lot of improvement out of your players in the time that you have with them. So kudos to you on that, man, and I appreciate you sharing that. [00:19:56] Speaker A: I appreciate it. Yeah, yeah, I appreciate that. Go. Going back to you saying that, you know, he. You could tell he's an athlete, but he didn't look like. With a golf club at the first. [00:20:05] Speaker B: Say that with love. [00:20:08] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. But think about, like, have y' all seen. Have y' all seen, like, LeBron James try to swing a golf club? He started playing golf. Have you seen Charles Barkley? Like, there's a lot of phenomenal athletes who. You put that stick in their hands, and all sense of athleticism just leaves the premises. So it's not a unique one off. It's just a. It's such a different thing. It's such a different concept. It's such a different sport scenario, setting, whatever you want to call it, it's just. It is. It's just a challenge. [00:20:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:20:38] Speaker C: Well, it's hard to relax, I think, because, you know, being a former athlete, you know, you go in and. And pressures, you just. You put. We're just talking, like, performance. Right. Like, I'm putting pressure on myself. I can feel the tension as I'm driving over there, because I'm like, you guys play a lot. I don't want to embarrass myself. And then, so I'm tense, and I can't. You know, I'm trying to relax, and it's no big deal. We're just hanging out. But I still, you know, I don't want to be. You know, no one wants to be the worst guy out there. Right. Yeah. So it just took time for me to relax. Yeah. And have fun with it. And so. Yeah. But, yeah, just piggybacking what Garrett was saying. Yeah. You know, it's being able to put that person at ease. And that's what I try to do when I'm in the gym, you know, because not. Not everybody feels super comfortable when they come into the gym. Right. And so I'm. I'm conscious of that. I think Tony's conscious of that when he's working with a student. [00:21:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:41] Speaker C: You try to read your client when they come in, and so it's just awesome. It's just cool. I'm used to being on the other side. I'm trying to make the other. I'm trying to make the client feel comfortable. And so it's just cool. Tony, as a. As your quasi client, you were trying to find ways to make me comfortable. Find. Find ways to point out little wins. Hey, that was nice. You're. You're there, you know, stay with that. I'm almost 50, and it's still that performance anxiety, you know, I hate. I wish I could turn that off, but it's still a Battle that. So. [00:22:15] Speaker A: Yeah, and it's funny too, because I used to work out in like, you know, commercial gyms, like Gold's Gym and stuff like that. I'd have people come work out with me and they'd be like, I'm nervous, I'm, I'm embarrassed. I don't know what I'm doing. I don't know how much weight I can lift. I'm like, listen to me. I promise you. Golf and the gym are two of the places with the most egocentric, self centered people you'll ever meet in your life. They don't care what you're doing. They don't even know you exist. When they're in the gym, right? Like you go to like a commercial gym or the driving range, ain't nobody looking up and down at you. They're focused on their own swing, they're focused on their own mental demons, they're focused on their own bicep peak, whatever the case may be. Like, like, unless you are an attractive looking potential mate, they don't care about you. You know, they don't care one bit. So this is one of those things where it's like, do you try to ease people's minds that ain't nobody checking for you at the gym or whatever? Unless, unless you look like Garrett, then they are because they're like, ooh, look at that stud. You know, Then they're looking for you. [00:23:12] Speaker B: But, well, those people haven't been going to the gym that I'm going to. [00:23:15] Speaker C: Don't sleep on your mock turtleneck you got today. I like the, the high collar there. [00:23:20] Speaker B: Yeah. I think Tuesdays are the only day of the week that I actually wear a decent shirt because that's the one day I have to do something like out of, from, you know, away from the house other than Solly's. I pretty much go from the house to the kids school, back to the house to Sullies and back to the house most days. So I don't have to wear anything nice. [00:23:39] Speaker C: Yeah, I was shocked, not shocked that everyone at Sully's knew your name. It's like, yeah, do you want the regular, you know, like whatever your regular drink is or whatever. Yeah, the usual. Garrett or. Hey, Billy. Hey, Sally. [00:23:56] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm. I'm very much like Norm from Cheers. When I walk into Sully's, they, they pretty much know me. I did throw them for a curveball when I, we joked at one point. I think that I tried to cut back on beer and when I tried to cut back on beer it kind of threw them off to start with because I come in, they're like, miller Light. And I'm like, no, just a water today, thank you. And they're like, wait, do what? Are you okay? It's like, yeah, it's just 10 o' clock in the morning. Like, yeah, but that doesn't usually affect you. But anyway, one of my other commitments over the off season, I guess, has been to really dig in on short game, work a little bit more and commit to that a little bit more. And I think we talked about the wedge ladder at some point. It's just, it's something that's super easy to do on solo as you. It's a game you can set up, but you can do it at the driving range or whatever. But I've been, I think I've done that last three days and I'm finding ways to like, keep track of it so I can compete with myself and try to push myself to get better at it and things like that. But it's been a really cool way to. There's a lot of benefits to it besides just hitting golf balls or besides just working on your short game because you have to swing with a good sequence. You don't. There's no reason to try to overpower it or try to, you know, try to go max speed. You have to have a little bit of finesse and it's a great way to, to even work on some mechanics, like just your basic fundamental mechanics. The way you, you know, the way you have to shift your weight. If you don't get your weight shift on a short shot, you're gonna, you're, you can't hit it good. There's not enough time to make up for it with, with your hands. So as I'm trying to implement different changes to my swing, I don't even know if I'm saying changes so much as I'm taking that stuff from the gym and trying to apply it to my golf swing. Some of those same things for a full swing apply to the, the short ones also. But you can feel those changes take effect a little bit more on the shorter shots and the small shots. I know that's something Tony's talked about a little bit before, that, you know, slowing me down, it kind of correlates to slowing me down. But one of the ways to slow me down is shorten my swing. On these little 30 yard shots. I have to slow down because I'm swinging, you know, much I'm not. You just stop putting as much energy into It So I'm just surprised, I guess at how much it doesn't feel like I'm working on short game. It feels like an extension of my full swing practice. It's just working on a smaller segment of my full swing. So seeing a lot of cool things coming out of that. And, and I'm also getting, you know, pretty deadly inside of 100 yards. So that's, that's helpful. [00:26:36] Speaker A: I mean like if you can learn how to master a 30, 20 to 30, 20, 30 and 40 yard carry with like a sand wedge or something like that, you will have to be able to move efficiently at a very slow tempo and that'll help you a lot just to get the sequence right and everything. It gives you the ability to slow down enough to be able to focus on all the things that you want to make and implement into the full speed stuff. Does that make sense? Because to hit a 30 yard pitch shot or a 40 yard pitch shot, that's like one of the hardest 40, I think it's 40 to 80 yards is one of the hardest windows for most people, even tour players, it's just because it's so slow and off speed that they don't have the awareness, the proprioception, the self control even just to be so soft and gentle with it. Everything is hard, hard, hard, fast. Hit it hard, hit it hard. And so when you really dial in and spend a lot of time in that, that window, I call it 20 to 60 yards, you learn a lot. You learn a ton for sure. [00:27:35] Speaker B: Because again, simulators are really good at teaching you exactly where that line in the sand is. I've always felt like those mid range shots were difficult. Now I can quantify it and tell you it's inside 20 yards because for me is that line. So anything, you know, 20 to 60, because inside of 20 is where I seem to when I go in and do the wedge ladder. The first shot's 25 yards and that's basically hip high to hip high with very little energy, just, you know, just that's the shortest, shortest form of the golf swing that I can make and still call it a golf swing. Anything less than that, I'm basically weight on the left side and it's just a form of a chip or a pitch. But. And then by the time I get to about 75 yards, that's some form of a full swing to me. I'm getting my hands up to shoulder height on the way back. It may not be a full turn, but that's more or less a fullish 60 degree. So anything in between that, it's a golf swing, but it's not a full golf swing. And it's not. You got to be careful not to. I get so pissed off when I hit these little 40 yard. You're moving your way up a ladder, right? So it's 25, 35, 45, whatever. You get to the 45 yard shot and then like my next three attempts at the 55 yard shot, I'll go 47 because I can't figure out how much energy I need to put to it. So then I try to put just a little bit more energy into it and it goes 67. And it's like, Dan, you know, it's trying to find that balance. And one of the things that's been really frustrating to me lately is I will, in the working on technique part, I'll do something that maybe gets me just a little bit more efficient through the ball. Lowers my attack angle or my launch angle or whatever. So I hit the 75 yard shot like 82, and I have to go back to 65. And then I hit the 65 yard shot 78, because I'm still doing that. And I have chased this thing all the way back down to like 35 or 25 before. I finally. I end up just having to like restart it because the thing that I was doing that made me hit it farther. I'm now having to. I'm still fighting that as I'm having to hit shorter and shorter shots. So it's a really cool drill to. To try to develop that feel because it's not. You spend a lot of time going back and forth between yardages because you hit the way it works. You have to hit two shots to graduate to the next level. But if you miss one, you have to go back to the previous level or you can start all the way back over. So I was even having a hard. I said, I'm trying to figure out a way to like quantify it so I can like compete with myself. Because there's days that I would say, well, success is. How far up the ladder did you get? Well, there have been times that I might have made it to the 95 mark, but I bladed the 35 yard shot. It just happened to land in that window. [00:30:13] Speaker C: Right. [00:30:14] Speaker B: But that was the only time I made it past 35 the entire day. Then there's other days that it's like I never missed the circle by more than a foot, but I was constantly missing it by a foot and going from 55 to 4555 to 45, back and forth. And so it's been kind of a hard thing to figure out how to. How to grade and how to, you know, say, okay, was this a good day or a bad day? But definitely a good way to work on slowing yourself down and finding, you know, just developing some. Some tempo and. And that helps when you do play because when you are 35 yards or 45 yards, you at least have some type of a benchmark to say, okay, this is how I do this in that drill. So, anyway, been a cool. [00:30:55] Speaker A: It'd be like a basketball player. Yeah, it'd be like a basketball player wants to be well rounded, but all they ever do is practice dunks and free throws. [00:31:02] Speaker B: That's it. [00:31:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:31:03] Speaker B: Yeah, that's exactly cool. [00:31:05] Speaker A: You're a specialist at those two things, but anything else that's needed in the game, you got nothing. [00:31:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:11] Speaker A: You know, so. And again, I keep saying this especially for those of us as we get older. Right. Like, it's a way to save your body. [00:31:18] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:31:18] Speaker A: It's a way to save energy. It's a way to save wear and tear, especially if you're hitting off mats to have low impact shots, not full speed everything. [00:31:28] Speaker B: See, I think driver is the best way to minimize wear and tear because you're not. You're not pounding the ground with the driver. So that's the best way that I. That's why I hit so many drivers. Keeps me from messing up my wrist joints. Question for you, Tony. This might be a tough one, but without getting up, I need you to verbally explain to me what exactly coiling means. You say we talk a lot about coil it and then release it. You know, coil it, then release it. I'm having a really hard time because I've got to have like an ABC step by step of what all this stuff is. And I can't figure out for the life of me how to. How to coil. [00:32:05] Speaker A: So I got the little stuffed animal here, right? Let's say it's in golf posture. What I mean by coiling is my dog's getting jealous now because I'm playing with a stuffed animal and not her. [00:32:16] Speaker B: This is. This may be an outtake, but this is the most epic segment of the best golf podcast ever. I want to see. [00:32:27] Speaker A: Yeah. So this is the target. The camera's a target. Yeah, that's what you wanted. Coiling and releasing basically is. There's a rubber band that connects down here all the way around the stuffed animal to here. So as we shift and coil, watch what's gonna happen? Okay, I'm just gonna let go and it goes. Unwinds. [00:32:57] Speaker B: So which muscle? [00:32:58] Speaker A: You're welcome. [00:32:59] Speaker C: This could be the best demo you've ever done. [00:33:04] Speaker A: That's right. Now notice when I do this. Right. So coiling is basically the shoulders turning, the chest turning against some form of resistance of the lower body. And we talked a little bit a long time ago about Jim McLean and the X factor and how I said what he's talking about technically is not a flawed concept. He's talking about, or at least with the way I understand them to talk about it, is creating separation between the lower body and the upper body. That disassociation we're talking about in tpi. But I think where people get in trouble is the way they try to create that separation is by actively firing the hips in the downswing. Firing, firing, firing. While leaving the upper body back. I don't think you have to do any of that. I think you just have to rotate and coil the upper body against the lower body. Then it's the shift to the lead side that enhances that coil, creates that stretch without letting this unwind. So we coil it, we shift, and then it just unwinds. [00:34:05] Speaker C: Right? [00:34:05] Speaker A: That's how it works. Coil it, release it. Coil it, release it. And that's that free energy that you get into the shot. [00:34:16] Speaker B: I have so many wives. [00:34:19] Speaker C: Oh, God. [00:34:21] Speaker A: As a teacher, Mike, that's a teacher for you. Give me a stuffed animal. I'll show you what I'm talking about. [00:34:27] Speaker B: If you are still watching at this point in the video, now would be a great time to encourage you to like this video. And if you're not subscribed, please subscribe to the channel too. It's amazing how much you see, as I see the likes go up the. Those videos perform a lot better also. So what? Look, even if you don't really like it, if you're still listening, just go ahead and like it. It would really help. I. I have maybe more questions now than I had five minutes ago, but that's okay. What muscles was Roscoe flexing when he was coiling up right there? [00:35:02] Speaker A: Oh, it's a she. [00:35:03] Speaker B: Sorry. Sorry. [00:35:04] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay, so basically, you're gonna have all the lead size. [00:35:08] Speaker B: I'm sorry, is your. Is your stuffed animal anatomically correct? How do we know this? [00:35:12] Speaker A: Because my daughter named it. It's a girl. [00:35:14] Speaker B: Oh, okay. Okay, okay. So what muscles were. Would she. I'm not even sure if flexing is the right word, but it's. It's one of These things. You're not stretching. You and I talk. You know, that might be a different direction to ask the question to me. You and I were talking about this last night. I think it's a. It was a profound point to me that, if I'm not mistaken, the Jim McLean X Factor way back in the day, it's the separation at the top of your backswing. Somewhere along the line. I don't know if it's the industry that changed it or just my head that changed it, but I started thinking that it was about impact and how much disconnect was there at impact. But that's completely wrong because it's. You're creating that rubber band stretch on the way back and letting it go by impact. So it's about how much can you create at the top of your backswing? And it goes back to a question in the gym, too, because that hip. I'm trying to figure out how I want to strengthen the hip muscles in the gym, because all of the resistance bands exercises that I've seen basically tell you to go to the top of your backswing and then rotate your hips from that position. And technically, that is the. The movement that your muscles do in that stretch, but it's not done from the top of your backswing. And I think when you do that in the gym, it. It makes you want to spin your hips out and do that. Basically, what I do. So what you're really trying to do is as you turn your shoulders, you're. You need the strength in your hips and the flexibility in your hips to be able to resist that movement. So that you're. Because if you. If I try to turn my hips 80 degrees and I get my shoulders to 100 degrees, that's not a very powerful position. I would be better off having my shoulders at 80 degrees and my hips at 30 or even 50 or wherever, you know, so it's about. That's where that stretch is, is between the shoulders and the hips. But there are a lot of different ways that I play around with this. There's a lot of different ways that I can get my shoulders turn more than my hips. I can do that through my stomach, my obliques, through my chest, through my arms. There's a lot of different ways I can contort myself to get myself into that position. And I'm not sure which one's the right one. [00:37:25] Speaker A: Yeah. So just imagine that there's a rubber band from. Let's call it the lead shoulder down to the hip, like a seat belt. [00:37:31] Speaker C: Right. [00:37:32] Speaker A: So as you Stretch against that. Right. That's what gives you that spiral line. If you look at the fascia line system, you look at a spiral line, it basically goes up the body in a coil like a spiral. So that's all it is. I mean, it's literally just getting that coiled so that all you have to do is shift it, maintain the coil a little bit, and then you get a free ride of energy. Like, even just doing that, if you just stretch and turn your shoulders, your upper torso into your chair or wherever, if you just turn it and then just move forward without letting it go, you can feel that stretch. You'll feel it, you know, all the whole lead side will basically be stretched. And then again, it just. Just let it go. You feel that, Mike? [00:38:11] Speaker C: I do. [00:38:12] Speaker A: Yep. [00:38:12] Speaker C: I remember you mentioning. [00:38:13] Speaker A: Now do it. So do it incorrectly, though. And now as you shift, let your upper body unwind. As you're shifting forward, you lose all of that. It's all gone. So we just need that little bit of separation, and then it's free energy. It's right. And what most people. Again, I use this analogy all the time. Rather than stretching the rubber band, the slingshot, and letting it go, what they're doing is this. No stretch, no stretch, no stretch. Let's try to create a stretching downswing and then somehow get it to let out. It's just like, why would you ever do that? Why would you. Why would you ever try to add energy into the downswing to create a stretch and then figure out, how in the world am I going to time this back out? [00:38:58] Speaker C: Yeah. So on a practical, you know, like the weekend warrior like me. So you guys were talking about that last week. Like, I'm. Because, I don't know, I don't trust the old saying of, you know, let the club do the work. Like, I'm going into a backswing, and then I'm trying to create. Because in my mind, I've stopped everything, and now I'm trying to create clubhead speed. I'm trying to create something, and then it looks like I'm. Yeah, I'm trying to kill the thing and my. So for me, I deal with low back issues and I get soaked. I told you guys what If I ever play 18, I'm exhausted by 12 holes. I'm just so tired because of over swinging. And, you know, Tony is like, you know, it should be. It shouldn't be that way. You shouldn't be tired. So, yeah, I'd love to be able to play more and not be exhausted, you know, like I think that's why Garrett's able to, you know, practice for two hours, is because he's not, like, fighting himself as much, you know, on the downswing, whereas, you know, that just the weekend warrior. I'm trying to create something because I don't understand, like, what you're saying. That rubber band and just. And then, like you said, you know, way back when, just let it go. [00:40:26] Speaker A: Let it go, let it go. [00:40:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:28] Speaker A: So, I mean, again, like, if you think about it, you say low back pains. Well, if you were sitting there trying to rotate your hips over and over and over and add that energy into. [00:40:36] Speaker B: The hips late and aggressively, just wrecks. [00:40:40] Speaker A: What do you think? Yeah. What do you think's going to happen? Yeah, what do you think's going to happen? Right. Versus. If we do all of our work early, then we don't have anything else to do but just passively, just, like, let it go and ride to the finish. And again, think about what would be a more consistent system mechanically. You take that. [00:41:01] Speaker B: What do you. [00:41:01] Speaker A: What were you saying? You're using the medicine. Not medicine balls. The stretchy bands. [00:41:06] Speaker B: Tubing tubes. [00:41:07] Speaker A: Resist. Yeah. Resistance band tubing or whatever. If I attach that to a hook on the thing and I pull it back and let it go, it's going to be extremely repeatable, right? Extremely. Now, let's say if I tried to, for some reason, I don't know, not have it on the hook, and then try to throw it and hooked it on the hook and then pull it back and throw it back on the hook. Like, it just doesn't make any sense. [00:41:31] Speaker B: Well, just, I love the resistance bands for a whole lot of reasons, and one of them is even I don't care what movement I'm making. It could be a curl for all I care. But I was doing this the other day. I was actually showing public for me, number one, just installed as I took the resistance bands. And I was trying to explain to him, like, to get your arm. You know, he's trying. I'm trying to get his arms up. [00:41:53] Speaker C: A little bit more. [00:41:54] Speaker B: And I was telling him, like, if you just hold the resistance bands, you know, stand on the middle of the band and just try to raise it up. One thing that you can feel from that is, okay, I'm doing this, you know, whatever, shoulder lifting motion to get it up, but you've got tension in it here. Right. If I just relax, it's gonna go back down. And you don't really gain anything from trying to make it go down faster. It already Wants to go down fast, you don't have to do anything. But the other thing about that is that, hell, that's easy as crap to do. You take it up and it's the relax that creates the speed because you've already got, in that case, say, a 50 pound resistance band. You've got 50 pounds of tension trying to get out. As soon as you let it just, you know, let it go, that's what it's going to do. So as you cream, it's not the same motion, obviously, but that's the sensation you're doing. You're. You're creating in the golf swing is you're creating that tension like you're, you know, stretching a resistance band. And then on the way down, it's just letting it go and. And it comes out. And it's crazy to me that that is. As I keep working on it more and more, it's like it seriously is. The more I add to the downswing, the worse I hit it and the. And the less power I have, it's not creating a bit of extra power for me to throw those hips in. I still do it sometimes because it's just a bad habit I'm getting out of, but I never consciously fire the hits because I have there. It's done nothing to give me any extra distance ever. And I just didn't realize it. [00:43:21] Speaker A: Yeah. So next time you go to the gym, put a resistance band on like a cross beam, a support pillar of a squat rack or whatever, and I take it and rotate your upper body against it and then see how it feels to just let it go back with the band. Right. You'll feel it's. It's a free ride of energy. [00:43:41] Speaker B: Would you put that on the ground so you're kind of coiling in a vertical diagonal direction? [00:43:45] Speaker A: I would just do it. I would just do it perfectly vertical so that you can get the feeling. Right. And then also a good visual would be like, let's say we had someone and we wrapped them up in a really long bed sheet. You know, you used to do it your kids. You wrap someone up in a rug or something like that. And then what happens when you go whoosh and you pull it? They just unwind. [00:44:06] Speaker B: Yeah, right. [00:44:07] Speaker A: That's exactly. Basically what we're doing is we're stretching it so that all we have to do is let it go and then it unwinds. [00:44:12] Speaker C: Yeah, that's also how you dispose of a body too. So. [00:44:16] Speaker A: You know. [00:44:21] Speaker B: Another thing I was thinking about today is as we've as we've covered at at length, I tend to max things out. Everything I do is max, max, max, everything I can do. Okay, so for me, if you tell me, you know, I want to have 45 degrees of separation between my shoulders and my abdomen and then another 45 degrees between my abdomen and my hips and another, you know, 20 degrees of shoulder protraction in my left arm and all these, I'm going to max out and stretch out as far as I possibly can in the golf swing in all directions. But another thing I'm starting to know. I'll tell you what prompted this. I went back and was just thinking about something that they said on the athletic motion video about the spine angles. That if you max out one of the, the three movements you can make with the spine, it limits what you can do in the other. So I think part of the reason that I don't have a whole lot of left bend at the top of my backswing is I'm trying to max out my shoulder rotation. So the more I try to rotate my T spine, the less ability I have to bend my T spine. So it just got me kind of thinking in a, for a normal person, I know we all have different ranges of motion and mobility and all that kind of stuff, but just taking. And I don't even know if you can do this, but if somebody comes in and they do the 17 point TPI assessment and they score a 2 out of 3 on all 17 movements, just an average mobility, are we maxing out in any direction in our golf swing? There's a lot of different ways I can get the club to parallel without feeling like I'm like maximizing my extension or maximizing my shoulder turn. Are we really trying to max anything out or is it just a balance of a little bit of this, a little bit of that? And that's part of the. It's kind of related to the question about coiling. But is coiling almost entirely in the shoulders and getting your shoulders turned as much as you can, your core turned as much as you can, your arms extended, or is it just kind of a balance of all of those things? [00:46:18] Speaker A: I think the answer is you coil as much as the shot requires, you coil as much as the energy you need to produce. Right? [00:46:25] Speaker B: I'm not going to possible. [00:46:30] Speaker A: On that 30 yard pitch shot. You don't need to stretch the rubber band as far as. [00:46:34] Speaker B: But when I do need to. [00:46:36] Speaker A: Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. What you need to do is get the sequence correct so that you have the stretch, then you can then release. Now I ask your question. [00:46:48] Speaker B: When I need to hit a shot that has three digits and starts with a three, how much coil am I going to do in that shot? [00:46:57] Speaker A: As much as the shot requires. So you're going to coil as much as your body will allow you to safely do to get the most efficient energy out of the swing. [00:47:07] Speaker B: Yeah, but it's not because. Do you see this a lot, Tony, where somebody is trying so hard to max out one particular movement? Try to keep your left arm as straight as possible. Try to rotate your shoulders as far as possible. And it's the doing for me, it's ironic to me, I, I did this today, just. I feel like on, on video and looking at different things, I felt like I needed to try to feel a little bit more right bend through the ball. And I hit two balls, one where I tried to right bend and one where I tried to feel almost the opposite. And it was the opposite that was actually correct because when I tried to right bend, it ended up being something that like I, I took away some of that. It just put me in a messed up position. It wasn't the correct position. [00:47:51] Speaker A: So I don't, I don't like extremes in either direction. [00:47:55] Speaker B: Better way of asking my question. That's better. [00:47:57] Speaker A: Yeah. I think, I just think extremes lead to injuries. Extremes lead to problems. Right. And in golf, we don't need a 1 in 10 swing. We need hopefully 70 or less swings is what we need in a round of golf. If you're long driving, sure. Those guys are maxed out. Beyond maxed out. Remember Jamie Sidlowski? The amount of shoulder turn he had was insane. Right. But it's just like building a race car or whatever. If you go all gas, no brakes, you're maxed out on one side and you can't make a corner because you can't slow down or the, the, the, you know, the block can't handle the horsepower. So it blows up, you know, so it's just, there's, there's a balance to everything. That's why I said whatever the shop demands. And what most people find is rather than going full out with driver, what we need to do is get the maximum efficiency and accuracy ratio. So what energy, effort level gives me the best of both worlds where I hit the most balls in play and I only give up 15, 10, 15 yards of distance. See what I'm saying? And for most people, that's not max out. [00:49:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:49:06] Speaker A: Guarantee. Hit it harder than he does on Tour. Guarantee you, you know Jordan Spieth could hit it harder than he does on tour. [00:49:13] Speaker B: Well, and what I start to notice is we did this at Solly's last week. After we finished our nine hole, we did a long drive. And the first time, I think I only hit one out of six in play. And this is like a 50 yard wide fairway. And then Tony steps up and beats me with my driver on the first swing. On the first swing. And I'm like, we're doing this again, because that's totally not right. And I made the. I think. I don't know why I said this or what prompted, but I said, I'm gonna hit. I'm gonna beat you this time. And hit all six balls in play. And I didn't do it. I only got like three out of six in play, but I think all six did land in the fairway. They just rolled out of it on either side. [00:49:58] Speaker A: No, they're. [00:50:00] Speaker B: You made the point afterwards that my swings, my ball speed and my distance was actually higher on that one than it was the one before. And that's not just taking the bit. I think my longest drive was like 309 or something. And then all the others were like 268, 274 something. The last time it was like 312 was my longest. But all like four out of or five out of six were above 300. They were all much more consistent strikes. And you made the point. See, that's my point. [00:50:28] Speaker A: You. [00:50:29] Speaker B: The harder you're. When you're just trying to get it in play, you got it in play and actually hit it farther. And that's exactly what I keep. And I'm getting better at it. I swear I am. I'm not quite there yet, but it's like I am doing it more. I'm remembering it more often now than I used to, but it's like that's my flaw that I keep. Everybody has swing flaws, right? And that they just can't get rid of. And the one that keeps creeping back into me is over swinging. But over swinging might gain me 1 mile per hour of club head speed on average. I mean, that's it. It's every single time. I just kind of dial it back. I lose two miles an hour club head speed, and I pick up seven miles an hour of ball speed and ten yards of distance. I mean, it just. So that's where it goes back. Like when you do try to talk about tension. I tried a couple of shots today. Just when I do create that maximum coil, I find it Harder to get out of that because it's. Even though you should want to unwind it, it's like the weight shift or something. It's harder to transition because I'm trying to go back as fast as I can or as hard as I can to get as much coil as I, as I can get there. And then it's almost like I go too far for it to be comfortable to let out. But when I just try to coil naturally, it's easy to let it out. You know, I think sometimes we put ourselves in these really uncomfortable positions that just, it robs us of consistency and distance. [00:51:49] Speaker C: So. [00:51:49] Speaker A: Yeah, and the other thing that happens with most people when they go too hard is they just generate too much spin with the driver so they lose distance anyways. So there's that maximum efficiency. As I said, we're going to get the most consistent centered club face strikes. You're going to get the most consistent launch angle and spin ratios. That's what we're going for. That's, that's, that's how you play better golf, is keeping the ball in play. Even if on the, on your max effort you give up 20 yards, 30 yards, right. So what if it stays in play consistently and you have a chance to hit the green and 2 or hit the par 5 and 3? That's really the name of the game. [00:52:27] Speaker B: That's another thing we talked about before with the wedge ladder that I like is that, you know, as I'm, as I'm going up through my sequence, 75 yards is about a full lob wedge, but I'm not really putting. That's probably the first time I feel like I'm taking the club all the way to pretty much to the, to the top, but I'm not really putting a lot of energy into it. The 85 yard shots, what I would say is probably stretching a lob wedge for what I'm comfortable doing, but I can hit if I'm really trying to. I could probably hit a lob wedge 105, 110 if like, if you gave me a hundred dollars, if I could do it, I might could hit it that far. But at 95, I'm not comfortable doing that. I'll go to this 56 and just hit a. Because I get so comfortable hitting these little easy like what I almost feel like three quarter shots that it's like, why would I want to hit this as hard as I can? And that same principle applies all the way up the ladder at 175 yard shot too. It's like, yes, I can stretch an 8 iron that far, but I'm positive that I can hit a nice little controlled seven iron. It'll be four feet lower and a heck of a lot more controlled. And like. So you just, you get to a point where until you get into the really long clubs and you gotta stretch it a little bit. Yes you can. But why would you. Starts to kind of become your. Your question a little bit. And the only problem, and here's the only caveat to that, is that I really have found some of these in the. Especially recently where it's like, okay, I'm. I'm 162. So rather than trying to stretch a nine, I'm gonna just kind of cozy an eight. But because I tried to cozy the eight, I hit at 177 because I really just. I really did release all the energy. [00:54:05] Speaker A: Too efficient. [00:54:07] Speaker B: Too efficient. Yeah, it's. It's like such a cliche, but it's crazy how much this just keep. We keep talking about this over and over and over again, but every time we get together, I've worked on it a little bit more and it's just keeps blowing my mind how it's still less. Still less energy. Still. The, the less energy I put into the downswing, the better. So one other question real quick on the releasing part. So when you say coil it and release it with the body, we've talked about that. The. You're creating some tension in your arms. Like for me, this. The, the left jab that I'm doing in the gym with the resistance bands. You're. You're put. You're protracting your left shoulder and you' also adducting or abducting. You're coming across your body, but that's not something that you necessarily want to release early in the downswing. Right. You're going to try to hold that tension at least into impact. Right. You're going to keep. [00:55:00] Speaker A: So that's just that initial again. That's that initial shift. And then after that it will start to release. [00:55:07] Speaker B: But at impact, would you still be. Where's your left arm going to be in this plane at impact? Is it going to be across your body or basically in a straight line with your. [00:55:17] Speaker A: Yeah, for most. You see most feed golfers, it's still going to have some pinch right here. [00:55:21] Speaker B: Okay. [00:55:22] Speaker A: Support. It's a. It's called a supported strike through the shot. I mean, if it's all the way out here, then obviously that's just not feasible. Right. It still needs to be Here. But what I'm saying is what most people do if they're leading with the hips is it's still pinned across their chest, and then they're too far behind. They have to, like, drop it and rotate it or whatever, or they. And a part of a reason why that happens is they didn't create any stretch in the backswing, any coil in the backswing. So when they start turning, they get that initial stretch, and by then it's just too late for it to go back out. [00:55:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:54] Speaker A: Does that make any sense? [00:55:55] Speaker B: Yeah, it does. And then what happens is you get to a point in the downswing, and this is not a conscious thought at all, that basically, if you keep doing what you're trying to do, you're not going to come anywhere close to making contact with the ball. So then your body has to release that some way or another to find the ball. And it's. I think what I'm starting to learn is that you can have some conscious thoughts on the backswing, maybe especially in the takeaway, if you're working on some stuff and you're working on some technical stuff. But as far as what you're doing in the downswing, once you make the shift, whatever you think let it out means is what it means. Let it all out, every bit. Anything that you've created in the backswing, you're not really trying to hold anything. Hands aren't. I know we did the video on lag and talking about, but there's really nothing that you're trying to hold on to in the downswing. You're pretty much trying to return right back to your address position by just after impact. Is that a correct way to say. [00:56:47] Speaker A: And a good way to test that for people is check your balance in your finish. If you can't stand still in your finish. Like when Mike was first starting at the saws the other day, like, what Gary and I were watching was like when he would. We call add, when you were adding in the downswing your whole balance and everything was completely thrown off in the finish. Right. He was stumbling trying to find your balance, because again, we're adding energy rather than riding the wave and balancing. [00:57:13] Speaker B: And really, if you're thinking about the physics of it, because I. I know I told you this the other day. There was a video that I looked at on mine the other day. It looked fast when I'm looking at it, but as I was, I slowed it down and looked at it segment by segment. It was only fast through the impact zone. It was pretty slow. Back and it was really slow post follow through, but it was just right there at impact. There was a lot of speed. That's that, you know, released energy. But my. If you would have frozen that video at impact and just watched the follow through, you would have thought I was hitting like a 60 yard shot. It was just a really. Because if you, you don't want to have any energy left in the follow through. The energy all gets dumped into the ball hopefully. So that's. I never could understand how Freddie Couples could hit it that far, but it's because he let all of his energy go into the golf ball. He didn't have anything left for the follow through. So it's been. Been cool to watch. But what y' all got going on for Christmas? Big, big Christmas plans or. [00:58:09] Speaker C: Well, we got Christmas Eve at Tony's, so I'm looking forward to that. [00:58:14] Speaker B: It's actually at Tony's at our. [00:58:17] Speaker A: It's. [00:58:17] Speaker B: It's at the, at the house with the residents of our biggest fan of the best golf podcast ever. [00:58:21] Speaker A: That's true. The biggest fan ever. We got ribs, we got drinks. I mean, good time. Well, yeah, I gotta bring your own drinks, but we got ribs. [00:58:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:58:32] Speaker A: Yeah. Mike, you guys, apparently people are excited to meet you all. They said. You mean the guys? Like. Yeah, the guys. So y' all are celebrities, at least in the one or two households. [00:58:47] Speaker B: That's awesome. [00:58:48] Speaker A: No, I just. [00:58:49] Speaker B: Yeah, it's my handsome face. [00:58:51] Speaker A: I just got my kids with me for a nice long stretch and I'm looking forward to that. My twin brother's coming up to visit. [00:58:58] Speaker C: I don't have my kids. So after I see you guys, Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, I'm flying out to go see my brother and his family in Chicago, the frozen Tundra. But I've spent many holidays. They've been up in Chicago for 20 plus years and so I've spent many holidays up there with. And just looking forward to that. Instead of being by my lonesome for four or five days, I get to go hang out with my bro. So it'll be fun. [00:59:30] Speaker A: Nice. Yeah. [00:59:32] Speaker B: Yeah, sounds fun. Well, I'm looking forward to Christmas Eve. That'll be fun. We, I love doing these, the podcasts and this is a lot of fun. But it's whenever we can get together in person, whether it's playing left handed golf or, or shooting videos or whatever, always look forward to that. So this will be the first time I think we've ever gotten together in person that there is absolutely nothing to do with golf. So we'll we'll just get to enjoy each other's company with. No, no, no golf talk or. [01:00:02] Speaker C: May not be recorded. [01:00:03] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm sure Garrett will find a way to work his glutes in and all kinds of stuff. [01:00:09] Speaker B: We haven't talked about my glutes in a while, actually. That's. I'm not. Actually, you know what? I'm not even really working my glutes in my workout, except for the. I guess the deadlift is technically some. Some glutes, but. [01:00:22] Speaker C: Yes. [01:00:22] Speaker B: No. I'm leaving my butt alone. No. No glutes this time. [01:00:26] Speaker C: Well, I think we should. Garrett, you should just set your phone up, like on the. On a bar or table somewhere and just let it. Let it go for a little bit and just see what kind of. What kind of video we can get at the Christmas party. [01:00:41] Speaker B: That could be fascinating. That'll be really interesting. Well, enjoyed it, guys. We'll see you Christmas Eve. Looking forward to that. Always enjoy doing this and appreciate your time and advice. It's really. I may be working on becoming a great little, like, test project for before and after between me and Mike. We're going to be able to take his before and after from the other day and my before and after from, like, August and really, really shine a light on the brilliance of your teaching. So appreciate it. It and see y' all next time. Thanks, guys. Okay, peace. [01:01:14] Speaker C: Thanks, guys. Have a good week. [01:01:19] Speaker A: Got one of my kids stuffies here. See if this will work. [01:01:23] Speaker B: You'll be okay for 30 minutes. [01:01:25] Speaker A: Very good. [01:01:25] Speaker B: Just hang tight. [01:01:32] Speaker A: Yep. And action. [01:01:37] Speaker B: Yeah, bud. [01:01:39] Speaker C: Yes. [01:01:39] Speaker A: That's gonna make one of the most epic opening video clips ever. [01:01:43] Speaker B: That's it. Yeah. This little stuffed animal that is definitely gonna be going into the YouTube thumbnail. [01:01:51] Speaker A: So you ready? You ready for how you tell or how you can make this the boy dog or the girl dog? [01:01:55] Speaker B: Oh, gosh. [01:02:00] Speaker C: Live podcasting. [01:02:01] Speaker B: Okay, this is why we don't do live podcasting.