Episode Transcript
[00:00:01] Speaker A: So, Tony, are you healing at all? Are you anywhere closer to being there?
[00:00:05] Speaker B: So, yeah, if those who are just watching for first time. I've had a tough month of May. Right. As the college semester ended, I was all geared up to get my golf game back in full swing, start a regular practice and play schedule and whatnot. And then I had this strange rib injury. Like intercostals in the rib took me out for a few weeks and then my low back blew out doing nothing. I was changing blades on my mower or something like that. And I've been rehabbing that now for the last three weeks. So it's getting better. I bought a Roman chair, a back extension machine for the house that folds up and you can put into the closet just to. It's got to be. I was. I've done so much deep dive on this mike because I'm still strong. Like all my lifts are still good. But that's the big posterior chain muscles, the glutes, the hamstrings, the. All that stuff. There's got to be something right along the spine. I forget exactly what the muscle is called, but there's all these little tie in muscles that go up every segment of the spine. I think that's what's unhappy. And so I'm doing a lot of isometric holds and just light work on back extensions every day just to try to get the muscles to stop seizing and cramping. Because that's what's happening is like there's not a tear, there's not a strain or anything like that. It's just the muscles are going into protective mode and saying, time out, we're not doing anything. Let's just lock up. So I'm trying to get them to DCs and then strengthen them over time.
[00:01:29] Speaker C: Let me. So, yeah, let me ask you this. So, yeah, when somebody comes in with low back stuff, you know, for me the last thing I want to do is get them doing rotation exercises, right. Because their, their back is already locked up. So like, what kind of like have you started even trying to rotate yet? Or are you just doing kind of isometric?
[00:01:51] Speaker B: Yeah, so core stuff. Well, and right, if we think about the segments at the back, you get the T spine up top and that can rotate. You got the L spine, it can only go up and, you know, forward and back extension and flexion for the most part. So with the, the Roman chair stuff, I've just been doing the flexion extension, back extensions, and also the isometric holds. I have been doing more hip mobility stuff. I know Preston and I are going to get on a call and talk about it because he wants to work on some more mobility stuff as well. But hip openers and closers and then the world's greatest stretch. I've just been doing that one, you know, in the mornings. So that's kind of my morning routine is a little work on the Roman chair, back extension, some hip mobility and some rotational stretches to try and get it back. But I did do two upper body workouts, light workouts. Nothing crazy, but just a test. But I hadn't done any of my strength training or bodybuilding type stuff either because of my ribs for the longest time. So I'm finally back to that.
But my main goal again is.
[00:02:48] Speaker C: Yeah, so what I'm hearing is you're basically doing. You're. You're doing rotation, but you're not doing it under load. You're not doing it with.
[00:02:55] Speaker B: Yeah, I haven't swung a golf club.
[00:02:56] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:02:57] Speaker B: Or anything like that. I did some pal off presses just for stabilization as well. Um, but yeah, no, because again, the main goal is Scotland for the 40th birthday in early July. So I turn 40 June 26th and then I gotta get ready for Scotland. I got. I can't be re injured for Scotland. Cause we've already picked some courses we're gonna. And I already reached out and they're going to hook me up with a discount if not free. So I need to be ready for that, you know. So that's the main goal. So I'm like, I don't care about any golf right now. I don't care about doing any work as far as the golf swing goes. I just need to be ready for that so I can at least play my two or three rounds there.
[00:03:34] Speaker C: That's great.
[00:03:34] Speaker B: But yeah, so.
[00:03:37] Speaker A: Well, I don't know if this is going to be the theme of the episode or not, but, you know, both Tony and I have kind of ran into a different version of the same problem. A lot of desire to play and inability to do so. So what I've been doing is like thinking about with, okay, how am I going to react? This. I'm not going to quit playing. But short game's free and my short game sucks. So I'm going to work on short game a lot. And as we talked about in the last episode, I'm struggling with reading greens. But great time to go out to the putting green. Eagles Ridge's putting green has a ton of slope. There's not a flat putt out. So really good time to go out there and work on, you know, green reading. So there are still ways to work on your golf game if you're injured, if it's raining, if it's whatever insert whatever challenge you can run into. There's still things, even this. I'm going to plug this. Golf is not a game of perfect. I've been meaning to read that again. I've. I've read it several times. It's always really helped the strategy in the middle side so you don't have to box yourself in sometimes. There's still ways to get creative and figure out how to work on it.
[00:04:45] Speaker B: Yeah. So go tos for me, if I'm injured or I can't get out and do full swing or play or whatever. Like that is obviously a lot of putting. So I have the last month or so when my back was down, I did at least three or four hour long putting sessions on real putting green, working on my reading, experimenting a little bit with aim point to help dial in those those reads and confirm them.
Lag putting as well because I got that new putter so I'm figuring out distance control with it.
Enjoyed that, Did a lot of that, made some good progress with that. And then also it's if you have the ability to have like a launch monitor or something like that. Like I have one for personal and my business teaching, coaching use. I actually threw it down my GC3. I threw it down my bedroom because I've got a long hallway to the kids room and I was just experimenting with different clubs like a 50 degree wedge versus a pitching wedge versus a 58. On just nailing my carry distance, you know, three to four yards and just watching boom, boom, boom and just confirming that within half of a foot my carry distance is the same and it's inside, it's air conditioned. It probably looks ridiculous that I've got a little stack of balls and a GC3 launch monitor in my bedroom. But it's what I could do. Right. And then I would experiment. If I open the face a little bit more and take a slightly bigger backswing, I get more launch. But this still carries the same if you got to go over some fringe or rough or whatever. Right. So that was kind of cool. I've got my three to six yard carries dialed with my chipping just phenomenal.
So next time I get outside to play and I have to carry at 3.4 yards, I'll be all right.
[00:06:29] Speaker A: You got it. You got it down?
Yeah. And, and that's important. There's.
I'VE been.
We didn't have.
We canceled the last podcast. I think last minute y' all picked the worst time to decide we couldn't do. I needed to vent so bad for like an hour. That whole pot, that whole episode. I'm sure y' all are glad we. We didn't do it, but I. Y' all weren't going to talk. I was just going for an hour, basically because.
[00:06:56] Speaker C: Remind me, you and I talked last week. I was going on a walk and you and I talked about. But remind me what. What was going on? You played like a ton of holes in. In one in a short amount of time, right?
[00:07:10] Speaker A: I mean, I think I played 36 that day.
[00:07:13] Speaker C: And you just couldn't make putts. That was the deal.
[00:07:16] Speaker A: It was.
I think, I don't remember that particular day. That might have been the day that I shot 79 and had a grand total of 16ft worth of putts made in 18 holes. I think I made a three footer and a four footer and everything else that I made all day long was like a six inch tap in. And I was joking with the guy I was playing with. I said if the hole was three inches wider, I'd have shot even par. If it was 6 inches wider, I'd have shot 64 or something like that. I was just all over it. But I also, I mean, I only hit like. Okay, this is a good way to summarize my frustration. If I can do it in one particular round. I only mishit one shot in 18 holes. And when I say mishit it, I mean it was a two iron that probably still had 145 mile an hour ball speed. It was a little bit low, a little on the toe. It was, you know, I was. It was on 17 at Eagle Ridge, so I was trying to shade left and I just pulled it a little bit. But I mean, it was hit if you're just looking at smash factor, right ball contact. It was. Every single ball I hit all day long was hit flush. I only hit seven greens, but I was missing in the right place. I was missing three yards off the green, you know, chipping it up to 4ft, 2ft, whatever, making it. But I'm striking the ball better than I've ever struck it in my life.
I'm hitting it fairly straight in terms of I'm missing it 3 yards short right, 4 yards just left, 2 yards right. And it kicks into a bunker. I mean, you're just, you're all over it, but not quite there. And then I hit A chip shot landed exactly where I want to, and it checks up a little bit more than I thought, and it only gets to five feet instead of two feet. And then I hit a five foot putt that's tumbling end over end right at the right edge and lips out. You know, you. You've really not missed a shot.
You've really hit every shot almost perfect. And you make a bogey. That happens sometimes. But when it happens eight times around for three straight weeks, you get to a point where it's just like, this is so aggravating.
If you took.
Sorry. This rant is.
I'm making up for it. Y' all canceled on me, but I'm not. Y'. All. Y' all didn't get out of it. I'm. I'm still gonna rant.
I thought I was over it.
That's right. That I really thought this was. I was over this, but I'm not.
[00:09:37] Speaker B: Clearly has not processed it yet.
[00:09:38] Speaker A: I have not. Yeah, I needed this. But this happens for three straight weeks. I have probably. I have dreamed almost my entire life of hitting the ball the way I'm hitting it. Really playing the way I'm playing.
And I'm a freaking five handicap.
And when I was in college, I didn't hit the ball nearly as well as I hit it now. And I couldn't put. I won't curse again, but I couldn't put it all. And I was a plus one or a zero.
I don't. I do not know how to process that and sure as hell don't know how to accept it.
So I know it's golf and that's how. But it is just. I don't know how to make sense of it.
[00:10:18] Speaker B: I don't know how.
[00:10:18] Speaker A: I'm a five handicap right now.
[00:10:20] Speaker B: I know exactly what you're talking about. Cause like I said, I mean, you could go back to the member member, right? The trifecta again, visually, just from a third person objective standpoint, you can watch someone hit a golf ball tee to green and be like, oh, they're definitely way better than this golfer. And yet they shoot the same. Or this. The better striker loses, right? I mean, like I said, people have played golf with me before and they're like, man, you hit the ball so far off the tee. Man, your irons are so great. Man, your wedge is so great. And I'm like, yeah. And we're tied.
[00:10:53] Speaker C: Like, what?
[00:10:54] Speaker B: It just. This is how it goes sometimes, you know, It's. It's. It's definitely one of the more Frustrating games.
[00:10:59] Speaker A: But I'll.
[00:11:00] Speaker B: I'll liken it to the Hurricanes playoff Stanley cup final run right now.
I've watched all three of the first games, and I don't watch hockey. This is the first time I've really ever, like, invested in a team and watched it because it's our local team, right?
And I'm sitting there watching and I'm like, the Vegas Knights look like the better team, hands down, from first drop of the puck to their passing, to their defense, whatever. They just look like the better team. And yet the Canes have. They lost the first game, but the second game, they fought back scrappy, just figured out a way to fight back, got to overtime, wanted an overtime, and then last night they were down 4, 0 and somehow scored three goals in 39 seconds.
You know what I mean? And then they took it to double overtime before they lost. It was a weird play. The Vegas Knights players shot one off the back wall and somehow it ricocheted and scooted off. Our goalies skate right into the goal to sudden death. Win. The game was just so. Ugh. But, like, that's just how it goes sometimes, right? It's just. It seems like in sports you can clearly see one team is better or one player is hand, head and shoulders better, but yet they don't win.
Or yet they. They. The other team is scrappy and figures out a way to get it done. So I think that's how golf can be so frustrating a lot of times, too, is you have days where you feel like you do everything right. You're hitting it well, you're hitting your spots, you're missing in the right place, you're rolling the ball in over end with putts. And it's just. The math isn't going to work in your favor that day.
[00:12:26] Speaker A: Yeah, and I've had both.
You know, there's the. There's the shots that you get mad about on the golf course that you really kind of sometimes overestimate your own skill level. And you kind of think, oh, that was. Well, that really wasn't that bad of a shot for you. It was just, you know, it was a B minus shot, but you think it's a D because it missed the green. But I'm telling you, the way I've hit the ball the last five, six, seven rounds, I think if I was just standing at slowly striping the ball, I think I would feel like that was a great session. Man, I'm hitting it great. And if I were warming up and getting ready to go play, I would Think I'm gonna shoot 65 today the way I'm hitting it. And then I go out on the golf course and I hit it exactly the way I think I, you know, should and shoot 78. And I had a more extreme version, the same. I think this is a career first for me.
That day I shot 79. I played that morning and shot 95. So I've shot in the 90s and the 70s in the same day.
Yeah, but even the 95, I didn't hit it terrible. I mean I did have a couple, I did miss strike a couple. But I mean I hit it in the hazard left on seven. It was 165 mile an hour ball speed probably, but it was 30 yards left. So you know, that was missed. That was a, you know, that was a bad shot, but it wasn't struck poorly. I pulled it. I had a little bit of a.
Balls a little bit above my feet on 14. And I'm just trying to lay up and trying to guard against, lift with it above my feet still kind of just tugged it a little bit. And everything on that side feeds back to the right except for the six foot wide cart path. And that's where it hits and goes out of bounds. And then I hit my next one out of bounds and then the third one finally, you know, hits left and kicks back into the fairway. So I make a nine because the first ball hits the cart path, you know, and it's just.
I think my last five rounds are. I think I shot 95. 79, 89. 79, 79, 85 is my sixth round in that stretch. So.
[00:14:30] Speaker B: So this is why I said and it hit it.
[00:14:32] Speaker A: We need to find the same every time.
[00:14:33] Speaker B: Yeah, we need to find a time where I can go out there and caddy for you or something and like talk you through it. Because there's clearly something that you're not seeing, right? You, it must be something you're not because you're playing. You must not be able to see it, what's going on.
Because if you're hitting it as good as you say you are, then you're high score should probably be 78, 79. Like that should be your worst potential. Right? Because I mean you're. We always have a scoring range potential. You know, your, your best score versus your worst score. The pros just happens to be centered around 67 or 70.
The five handicaps happens to be centered around this score, the higher handicap, this score. Right. But there's always going to be a range.
But that's kind of the old Scott Fawcett decade or any other strokes gain strategy Mark Brody approaches. If you are hitting it as good as you say you are, as well as you say you are, and you're not reaching your scoring potential, there's something going on with targeting or decision making or something, or you're just literally just not making putts.
[00:15:34] Speaker A: So I would say.
[00:15:35] Speaker B: Or not getting up and down, hitting
[00:15:37] Speaker A: it as well as I say I am. I want to make sure I'm clear on how I'm saying I'm hitting it. The day I shot 79, I hit it, I thought just about perfect. I mean, yeah, three, four yards offline was about as far as I missed an iron shot.
But the bad days, I'm still striking it that well. But my direction, my club face control isn't there or my path control, whichever it is, because I'm. And it's not one side or the other. That's probably the biggest problem is that my two misses are about 50, 50 dispersion between a block cut and a pull hook.
And it's. There is no 70%. This 20.
[00:16:17] Speaker B: It's.
[00:16:17] Speaker A: It's dead even.
[00:16:19] Speaker B: 50, 50 between both of those. Yeah. But both of those could accurately be club face. So if you have a 3 degree into out path that impact and your face is 5 degrees open, there's your push cut. And if you have a pull hook with a three degree in the out club path, your face could have been square at impact, right?
[00:16:36] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:16:36] Speaker A: It's just club face control. Right.
[00:16:38] Speaker B: Most people's path doesn't vary that much. Even like these beginners that I'm working with lately, or these been playing for a year, never took a lesson. I have them warm up and they're hitting 15, seven irons and their path is extremely consistent. You know what I mean? So a lot of it's club face control.
[00:16:57] Speaker A: There's a tiny bit of.
I won't say it's a swing change, but it's just something that I'm finally. I'm getting my body moving the correct way, I think a little bit better. I think. I don't. I don't get into the technical stuff, but it's. I'm. There is something that I'm doing that's.
[00:17:13] Speaker C: Are you sure?
Yeah, sorry.
[00:17:15] Speaker A: I'm not gonna do that this time.
[00:17:16] Speaker B: You okay, Mike?
[00:17:17] Speaker C: I said something. Something. I just had to get it out. I'm good.
[00:17:21] Speaker A: This isn't it.
[00:17:22] Speaker B: Some of that. Yeah.
[00:17:23] Speaker A: This is an episode of First.
I'm going to decline to go technical on this one. But. But I have. There is something that is probably causing me to get a little bit more over the top than I'm used to. And that's just something that's completely backwards from what I'm used to. But it's just like there's a razor thin line right now where I block it. And then the next shot I slightly correct, I think, and it goes too far left. I feel like I'm dancing on a razor blade. But even on the days that I hit it great, I'm still not scoring. And I agree. We need to get out and just let you caddy for me and talk me through.
[00:17:59] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, even if I just have to drop balls from 50 yards and just pitch and putt each hole so that I can do something, that's fine. I'm happy to do that. You know, I just. I would love to get back out and be on the grass again and at least be in the golf space just to do something. But.
[00:18:13] Speaker A: Well, yeah, so it could be alignment too. That's another thing. And it's. You know, there's a lot of just. It's. It's something that's subtle, but I don't know what it is.
[00:18:22] Speaker B: It's something.
Yeah. So I was gonna say we've. Not to go technical, but we've worked a lot on your swing from takeaway to top to through.
But what I've not done with you, we. We said we were gonna do it. We never got around a meeting and talking about it, but one of the things I haven't heard you say you've been training a lot is your club face awareness or club face control.
[00:18:42] Speaker A: Yeah, I haven't been. And you. We texted about it and then you did quickly kind of demonstrate the. The three different releases. Different releases. And I think it's something that I played around with it just long enough to realize that I needed to talk to you some more to, To. To figure it out. Because if I started messing around with it on my own, it was gonna get ugly, I think.
But it. Yeah, we need to maybe work on that a little bit. But it's.
I don't know, I just. If I was hitting it like this when I was in college, I can't imagine what I would have been shooting. I mean, it was just. But now I'm hitting it great and can't.
[00:19:20] Speaker B: Can't score well. And that's the thing too. Right. That's the age old dilemma or age old question is, would you rather go out, play 18 holes and hit it exactly how you want to and hit it flush every single time, solid Contact, and shoot 77. Or would you rather scramble and scrap your way around playing like sevy and shoot 72?
[00:19:38] Speaker A: Well, I can definitively answer that question for you now, brother. I might not have known the answer to that at one point, but I would 10 times rather shoot a better a good score than to flush it because I'm getting so aggravated with it, I can't stand it.
[00:19:51] Speaker B: So. But to me, the thing is when. When you're hitting it well, at least you see the potential that low scores are on the horizon. When you're not hitting it well, it's like, I don't know how I'm going to keep this up, you know?
[00:20:01] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:20:01] Speaker A: I heard Jordan Spieth say the other day, I think this was the other day. I just saw the clip the other day. But he said, at some point this year, every part of my game has been the best it's ever been. My putting, my ball striking, my driving. At some point, it's all been the best it's ever been. And I'm assuming the rest of the clip, if they had shown it was that, you know, I just can't put it all together. And that's probably the way I feel. I mean, it's.
But. But honestly, it's how I feel almost every day.
[00:20:28] Speaker C: My.
[00:20:28] Speaker A: My short game is the one that I'll admit is not that great right now. I haven't worked at it enough. I need to. I need to spend more time just refining that. Short game's a little bit of a tough thing to practice sometimes because there. A lot of the facilities are not.
You either don't really have a true green to chip to, or you're not allowed to chip on the putting green, or they've got a green, but it's not mowed the same. The one at Eagle Ridge, I feel like, is just really hard. Like if you're over there chipping, it's just. It's kind of small. You're kind of limited to the shots you can hit. They've got range balls out there. I don't think you probably need to practice chipping with a range ball.
[00:21:03] Speaker B: You should practice chipping and putting with the type of ball you play. At least. At least a quality tour of three piece ball. Right. Something. Something that has the ability to spin well.
[00:21:12] Speaker A: That's another thing. I can't afford good golf balls. I'm playing whatever callaway warbird I just found in the woods, you know, like,
[00:21:19] Speaker B: yeah, I know, every time we play together, I'm like, what ball is this? This is a Diablo from 2012.
Yeah. So again, I keep trying to tell you the Max Fly Tour golf balls from Dick's Sporting Goods, you can get them on sale sometimes for a hundred bucks for a four pack or something like that.
And it's, that's the best bang for your buck golf ball you can play right now unless you get something else on a crazy discount. The TourX and the Tour are both phenomenal golf balls. I have, I have both of them. I bought both of those on two different flash sales where they had 100 bucks for 48 of them. And I still have them. Right. I, I've got plenty of them still. I'll give you a sleeve or something like that. You can try them out. But you, you need to be playing a good golf ball. Even, even poor golfers, like not poor as in financially, but struggling golfers, Golfers who don't have the quote unquote skill should be playing something other than a two piece golf ball. I mean, because those things don't spin, they don't check. They launch high with low spin to offset the lack of spin. They, they do, they compress and they launch higher, which is fine in some respects, but when you need spin to stop the ball, it, it becomes very, very challenging.
But you can get like, but you can get like, like I have so many golf balls that I'll take out of play. Like they get a little scuff on them or something like that. And I just keep them in these bags or buckets and those become shag bag balls in case you're going to practice your short game.
[00:22:46] Speaker C: Right.
[00:22:46] Speaker B: But yes, no, we don't have access unless you're a member at a super swanky private country club. I think you have a friend who has access to a super swanky fancy private country club he might be in. Oh, there he is. He's right there. That's Mike.
Those have actual short game facilities to practice. Right. So it's a little bit different. I remember I went out to Old Chatham several times and the driving range is TP5. Taylor made TP5 golf balls and they've just got them everywhere around the chipping green and the putting green. And you just, you know you're practicing with premier golf balls. Yeah.
[00:23:17] Speaker A: So I know Twelve Oaks had, they were Titleist, I believe, but they were Titleist range balls. It was like Titleist practice or something like that.
[00:23:27] Speaker C: Right.
[00:23:27] Speaker B: So Titleist practice is the exact same golf ball as a Pro V1. All they do is stamp on practice. I confirmed this with Titleist. I emailed them when I was ordering for my students, and I was like, what's. I've heard there's no difference between the practice ball and the range ball. And they said, correct. It's just put practice on it. Might have not met their quality control standards. Maybe the paint was a little off on the Titleist logo or something like that. And so they stamped practice on them, and now they're.
[00:23:54] Speaker A: I tell you, this is not a very nice thing to admit, but it is a really good thing that I didn't know that when I was a member at Twelve Oaks, because they would have been short a few. Had I known that.
[00:24:03] Speaker B: I was gonna say, that's the thing. That's.
[00:24:05] Speaker C: That's.
[00:24:05] Speaker B: Yeah, they're not worried. Those fancy, shranky, private country clubs are not worried about their membership stealing their practice.
[00:24:13] Speaker A: Well, they would have. If I. If I had known it, I would have plenty. I'm afraid I need to work on the short game a little bit. And it's. You know, it's just all these little.
I think I've kind of reached a point. Not. This is not. I'm not trying to humble Flex or anything like that, but I think I've gotten to a point now where it's not the big things that are obvious. It's the little meticulous things. You're. That.
Honestly, my little ADD brain ain't the best at paying attention to the details. So that might be a little something to do with it.
[00:24:41] Speaker B: That's surprising to me, given how technical you get. That's technical is all about the details.
[00:24:47] Speaker A: It's the forgetfulness.
I have so many details going on in my brain that I can't remember all of them. You know, I noticed the other day playing that, like, I was on the 16th hole and realized that I had, like, I only had two swing thoughts and I had forgotten one of them after, like, the sixth hole. You know, it's just super easy to forget.
[00:25:06] Speaker B: You just need a process. We need to work on you with a process. It's like. It's a mantra. It's a step by step in your head that you can practice even when you're not playing, going through it until it becomes automatic. No different than the free throw shooter. Dribble, dribble, dribble, spin, dribble, shoot, right, whatever. Or around the back, around the back, deep breath, toss, shoot, whatever their routine is that gets them in the Zen mode.
[00:25:26] Speaker A: Mike, you were. You and I have talked enough.
You and I think mentally this is not an insult, but I think we're similar in some ways mentally. I mean, you were talking about with baseball how you kind of seem to have the same types of struggles with that I have with golf.
[00:25:43] Speaker C: I know that I was a big practice guy. You know, my dad was a, was a world class shooter and he was a police officer and he believed in the preparation. And so I just practiced a lot. My problem wasn't the PR quality of practice, it was the actual game day stuff that I struggled with. You know, there'd be times where I'd walk up to the plate and I was very focused and I did my job. And other times I can hear all the little conversations from the stands as I'm walking to the batter's box. It was hard for me because I'd looked so good in practice. I felt locked in.
And then I'd step in the box and I'd be like, I feel like I've never stepped inside this box before. And I think a little bit of it was, I was so much of repetition. I just wanted to do the same thing, get it locked in, repetition, repetition. But I wasn't putting myself in enough pressure situations. And I think that's where I, I struggled, you know, so he listening to you talk, like, when you do so much time at Sully's and so much time practicing, are you putting yourself in a good game, like, frame of mind? Does that make sense?
[00:26:56] Speaker A: I, I saw something the other day and we've, we've talked about this before too. It's so many, so many things that we're saying.
Y' all have already told me and I just forgot them. But I saw a video the other day, Scotty Scheffler, and it was pointing out how he went through his pre shot routine every single time on the range. And I don't know if that's, if he always does that or if that was just what he was working on at that time. But I never go through my pre shot routine when I'm practicing anything. Chipping, putting.
Once in a while, I mean, very rarely, maybe once a year, I might do a session where I consciously work on my pre shot routine for 10 shots and, you know, try to rehearse my pre shot routine, test it, see what I like, whatever. But the other day I was getting ready to go out and play, I think, and I did try to make myself go through the routine like five times probably.
And I think I would, I have a hunch. I know What y' all are going to say to this? But I think in my, most of my life, I've kind of treated it like volume was more important than quality. You know, quality over quantity or quantity over quality. And I think that if I were to ask the question, if I've got an hour to. If I've only got an hour, if I go through my routine, I'm only going to get to hit about 25, 30 shots, where if I just sit there and just pound the crap out of it, I'm going to be able to hit, you know, 150 or whatever, which is going to be a more productive use of my time to hit 30 shots. Just like I would hit on the golf course, or 150, nothing like I'd hit it on the golf course.
[00:28:25] Speaker B: Yeah, I would say the focused, mental intention reps are going to be better. The ones where you're actually paying attention to what you're doing and not just exercising are going to be better. And you hear that a lot as far as the quality over quantity. And again, I keep harping on, especially as we get older, you know, there's just only so many reps in the tank at some point before your fatigue takes over and the form and technique breaks down because physically you can't do it the same way anymore.
And again, I keep saying success leaves clues.
You know, you look at all the best players, all the best golfers, their pre shot routine is literally a carbon copy of itself every single time. And for the young viewers who don't know what carbon copy refers to, it's these old pieces of paper. You'd literally draw on the top one or run the top one, and there was a carbon sheet underneath that would leave a duplicate, a carbon copy, if you will.
But anyway, so that's, that's how important it is. And again, you can clock them with a stopwatch and you can see when they're glitched out or something doesn't feel quite right because they'll back off and start the whole thing over again or they'll take that little extra waggle or something.
But again, look at all the baseball players. They all have their batter's box routine. Glove, glove, tap, tap, deep breath, and then they come into the box or whatever. The basketball player with the free throw routine, the gymnast before they do their routine, whatever their event's going to be.
Power lifters, weightlifters, Ronnie Coleman, lightweight baby who, right? Like they, they have this mantra that they go through their head to get ready to perform, even scripted Sport like WWF or wwe, stone cold walking out with that head bobble, you know, and. And that swagger. And go to this turnbuckle and raise your fist and then that turn. It's all just a routine at that point. It gets them in the right mind frame to do what they need to do.
Watch any sport, you'll see it. Even a football quarterback licking their fingers a few times and then surveying to feel like you just notice it, right? You'll see it because it switches the brain into that safe framework of, I know what I'm doing, I've been here before.
And there's less anxiety and less pressure in that. But to practice that, you do have to have repetitions. You do have to do it. You do have to become automatic with it. It's just like anything else. But the thing about practicing pre shot routine is it doesn't wear and tax your body either. You can practice the pre shot routine and never even hit a golf ball. You can get right away to the takeaway and then stop if you needed to.
[00:30:47] Speaker A: I know this may be the most obvious statement that I've ever made, but the.
I don't think you can possibly underestimate how mental this silly game is. Somewhere buried in my subconscious. I think that I thought if I ever got to a point where I hit the ball this good, that I could be good enough, that mental didn't matter anymore, that you would just, you know, it was. You were just such. You had such a good swing that you just knew, never missed. It didn't matter how you know what your mental process was. But even listening to you describe that makes my brain hurt. Like, I don't. I don't have the mental energy.
If you told me, Garrett, if you will just focus, if you will just take the time and say, okay, I am going to go through my routine. And that's. If the question that I asked you a minute ago, if I would just hit 30 shots every single day, but go through my routine on all 30 of those shots, that I would shoot 65 the next time I go play, I don't know that I could do that for a week. I just don't think that mentally it's. I would do anything to shoot 65, but I don't know if I've got the mental energy to try that. You know, it's. It's such a mental game.
[00:31:50] Speaker B: You sound like that Meatloaf song. I would do anything for 65, but
[00:31:54] Speaker A: I won't do that.
I love to just go out there and just pound Golf balls. That's. I love the feeling of flushing a golf ball, of watching it fly. That's the part that I get enjoyment out of. And if you're telling me that I have to, like, turn this into a thought experiment, well, I don't know if I've got the energy for that. But, I mean, well.
[00:32:15] Speaker B: But how many golfers, you know, professional golfers, have you heard talk about Tiger? And they all say, yeah, he was great physically. Yeah, he had a great swing. Yeah, he was a great ball striker. But what do they say was his real differentiator?
[00:32:25] Speaker A: Mental. His mental toughness, yeah. And that's true for every. Every sport to some. I mean, Michael Jordan, I think, is another example of that. He was physically very gifted, no doubt about that. But what made him so dominant was that mentality. And it's a. You know, he didn't have the same mentality as Tiger. In their own ways, they had mastered the mental side. But that's true for the gap between the struggling amateur and the top professionals at any sport, whether we're talking minor league baseball versus MLB MVP or a five handicap versus a PGA player. It's always mental. It's never the physical that separates at that level.
[00:33:08] Speaker B: Yeah, hesitation is dangerous, right? Hesitation is what people. Gets people killed in car racing, stuff like that. They have that moment of hesitation or any, any sport or any activity where there's danger on the line, Right. They often say, I froze or something like that, and that's when they get hurt. Or I.
I lost focus for a second and then bang, I'm in the wall driving a car or something like that. So, yeah, the mental is so huge. I always say, if we were able to be robots and run on autopilot, cool. But we have this thing called a brain, and the brain is what tells our body what to do, even if it's operating at a subconscious level where you don't physically have the time to prepare and process your thoughts. The whole thing is the computer's working, and you've trained it to work in such a way that it can respond autonomously almost as what it appears from the outside, obviously, when it's going so fast. But you have to train that. You have to put it in enough scenarios to where it can do that efficiently and effectively and accurately. That's why sleep is so important.
[00:34:09] Speaker C: Right.
[00:34:10] Speaker B: It's also where the weird, weird phenomenon comes in, where some people play better when they're drinking because they don't. They don't overanalyze too much. They just do just Enough, their brain is relaxed enough to where it can process and do what it needs to do versus being super anxiety ridden. And now they take too long on the pre shot routine or they overthink the putt. They, they, they read it again. You know, they, they normally, their normal pre shot routine with a putt is to go through their process, walk up to it, two practice strokes and hit it. But now anxiety takes over, so they take another look at it. They adjust their line again and it's not what they've practiced. It's not the pre shot routine anymore.
So then they get a little drunk or they have a little inebriation, whatever they do, right. And now all of a sudden they can relax. Like a lot of people have great talent, it's anxiety that ruins them. Like when you're tense and tight, mentally or physically, you don't move well, you don't, you can't perform to your potential.
[00:35:02] Speaker A: So, Mike, this time of year I didn't really like intentionally quit working out or going to the gym or anything like that, but I just started playing 36 a day and it's happened, it happened.
So I guess from a in season maintenance thing, like it's not a, I'm not trying to intentionally neglect the body side of it, but I do think if I'm prioritizing, you know, what's, what's important to help my golf game right now, playing golf is what I am trying to spend more time doing. Do you experience that, I guess with clients? Like, do you see a dip in activity from clients or find it harder to get them to come in? Do you change? Do you get them to come in, but you just change what you're doing?
Or does everybody else do it year round? Like what would you.
[00:35:46] Speaker C: Yeah, good question. I, People just travel more this time of year, so I see people a little bit less. They're in and out. But you know, you know, a lot of my clients are older, so they're, they're trying to get earlier tee times and not be out there when it's super hot. Yeah. When you're, when you're in season, because we've talked about this so many times, you know how she'd lift in, you know, when you're playing a lot of golf, So I think 20 to 30 minutes, like really focused, it's okay to lift heavy. But yeah, just keep your reps down, get in and out, and then get out of there.
So, you know, in the wintertime when you're playing less, you can, you know, 45 minutes to an hour and 15 minutes.
Stay in there longer. So I would definitely say please get back in there. Who knows, it could help with your, with your golf game. Get 20 minutes of some heavy lifting in and get out of there.
[00:36:37] Speaker A: Would it be lifting versus, I guess this time of year? I'm thinking lifting would be the lower priority as opposed to like stretching and mobility. Do you sounds like that's kind of the opposite of what you just said.
[00:36:50] Speaker C: Well, it's so hot and you're breaking your body down. Like you need to get in there and lift weights. You know, I think for me you want to stay strong, right? And it just so stinking hot. Like it's only like Yesterday was like 92 degrees and my body has not adjusted yet and it felt like it was 102 and it's just gonna, you know, it's 92's nothing. It's gonna get really hot this summer. Get it done early, you know, get your workout in early. But I would say, you know, tape right now you're not doing anything but you know, one to two times a week. One, one to two times a week. You know, if you're doing three and four sets, going back and doing the same, you know, same exercise, three, four, five, six times, we'll cut that back, cut it back two or three times. Boom, boom. And it's okay to lift heavy, just 8 to 12 reps if you want to lift heavy. But yeah, just get out, get in, get out and you're going to feel stronger. You're actually going to feel more energized, you're going to feel better because that heat is just zap, zapping you. Right?
[00:37:54] Speaker B: Yeah. This time of year for me, you know, my gym is in the garage.
All my workout equipment is in the garage. So it's hot. So yeah, I've got to either do my workouts earlier in the day or later in the evening after the sun has cooled off a little bit. But I've got a big fan in there. But whereas I would like, like my upper body pushing day might have been bench press, military press, incline, chest press, pushups, shoulder raises and chest flies. That might been my normal during the fall winter, spring upper body pressing. Now I drop it down to like bench press, shoulder press, push ups, raises, call it a day, two or three sets per, and that's it, you know. Cause I'm not. Now it's like, let's just maintain what we have and not kill ourselves in the heat because then you're just done for the rest of the day and you're exhausted, you can't do anything. Try to go from an hour long lifting sessions down to like 30 minutes again, as Mike said, just get in, get out.
Right now is not the time to, for me at least in the heat. And I'm also cutting a little bit. Try again. I still have the shredded by 40 goal, that vanity goal. So when you're not eating as much, when your caloric deficit is in play, you don't have as much energy either. Right. So you go high protein to feed the muscles still and not lose as much muscle mass as possible while you're cutting. But yeah, no, I'm, I'm all for this time of year. Unless you have a nice air conditioned gym or you're at a commercial gym where it's air conditioned. And if you're playing more golf, yeah, lower the volume and keep the strength there, keep the, the intensity there as far as the amount of weight you're lifting, as long as you're not hurting yourself. But yeah, there's no reason to be in growth mode or pushing this periodization. Right now. We're in more of the maintenance phase with the golf season than grow, grow, grow.
[00:39:41] Speaker A: Funny the other day, so I have way, way back earlier podcast, I was trying to lose weight. I have almost hit, I would say, my target. I mean, my target weight range, 165 to 170 is where I, that's my fighting weight or whatever, you know, And I'm, I was 168, I think this morning. I was kind of, I think it was yesterday. I was like kind of getting up for the day or whatever. I was scratching my side and I felt like this weird lump and I was like, what the hell is this? And I was a little nervous for a second. I was like, what if I have like a mass in my stomach here? What is this little bump on the side here? And it was an ab. I just hadn't felt it.
I hadn't felt that since 2018. I was like, oh, that's what that is. That's pretty cool. You know, you can't see it, but I can feel it.
[00:40:27] Speaker B: Calling his doctor. I've got a lump. There's a mask.
[00:40:29] Speaker A: Got a lump on my side. What is this? That's, that's a, that's an ab. That's okay. It's good to have slight plug, I guess here. So we've talked about. I'm going to parlay this into a question maybe, but I don't even know if we've talked about this. On the podcast, we've went through this little spell of. We're going to develop apps and start this whole big empire of, you know, par method and apps and videos and all this stuff. Well, the app, I kind of just forgot at some. We did, like, a little beta test and nobody liked it, so we just kind of, like, forgot about it. But I didn't stop. Like, I kept tweaking it for my own game and saying, like, okay, I like this. I don't care if y' all don't like it. I like it, and I'm gonna keep using it. So I kept tweaking on it, and then I just, you know, been using it for myself for, like, a month or two, and I love it. And it's. It's been really helpful. It helped me to kind of organize my stats and stuff like that.
So I finally thought, well, maybe it's available and it's out there. We should at least tell people about it. You can go to ProximityGolf app. It's not in the, like, the Apple Store and all that stuff, but you can go to the web and sign up and use it, and you can use it from your phone. It just doesn't have, like, a downloadable app. I would say this. It's free for now.
Eventually, if we get people signed up for it, we might start charging for some features. But if you sign up while it's free, then it will always be free. I will. I won't come back and bait and switch you on that. So for listeners, viewers, anyone out there, go to ProximityGolf app, download it, try it, text me, or comment if you don't like it, and tell us what to change, any of that kind of stuff.
But it is really cool. It's. I. I've enjoyed using it. It's really easy to keep up with stats, and it's got practice games and workouts, stuff like that in it.
Parlaying that into the question now, though, Tony.
While I've plugged our app, I'm not sure that I need to be using it on the golf course because sometimes I wonder if that's why I'm so
[00:42:30] Speaker B: part of your struggling.
[00:42:32] Speaker A: Yeah, because I'm. I'm writing my scores down, I'm logging them in the app.
By the time I get to the next hole, I've not had, like, a mental break. I've spent the entire ride to the next hole logging all my stuff.
[00:42:44] Speaker C: The.
[00:42:44] Speaker A: The app is as easy as I can get it to use. It takes three seconds to log it. But for Someone like me that's so easily distracted. I feel like I'm constantly trying to remember to do something.
[00:42:56] Speaker B: Yeah, that's the great challenge of stat tracking apps, right? Whether it's arcos or Shot Scope or what we're trying to develop.
Again, you gotta remember the PGA Tour players, aside from Matt Fitzpatrick, who writes down every shot he's ever hit, the detail, the yardage, the wind or whatever he does and the result, those players are out there and they've got shot link tracking every shot they've ever hit, and they can go back and review their round and see, oh, I hit the drive 320 yards and left or up, and then I hit the next shot to the right bunker, and then I hit the next shot onto the thing. You know, the regular, everyday golfer doesn't have that. So that is the big challenge of statistical analysis and tracking as a regular golfer is trying to figure out what's the most important metrics I can track for me, how do I do it quickly and efficiently, but still stay focused. Because, you know, they're like. Some people are like, oh, it's. You need to take a break in between golf shots. Don't be thinking about golf while you're walking to the next shot. Some people can operate that way, but some people need to be engaged, right? They need to be more engaged with the process.
So it's a. It's. There's no one size cookie cutter fits all approach to it. And yeah, I wish there was an easy way to do it. I guess if you were rich, you could hire a assistant to come track it for you, but good luck.
[00:44:10] Speaker A: Well, I was talking to Sully about this yesterday, and it's.
First of all, this is part of the challenge in developing the app, is that not everybody wants the same stats. Even, you know, solely just. He has six stats that he likes to track. He's like, I wish I could just do these six stats.
I used to do it in a way that I could just log it on my card, go back in later and put it in. I could almost do that with the app.
Now the only thing that I found I can't do is I've got it set up where you can put in the putt direction, you know, the break and all that. So you can kind of track your tendencies where you miss high, low, wherever that is. The part that I probably can't remember later.
But. But it, it's. And I think you're right. I don't think it's one size fits all right, where nobody should or everybody should, but there's some balance there because there's a lot of really great insights that you can get from it. I was. I don't. I don't know if I said this earlier, but I've been saying for several weeks, like, I feel like I'm automatic inside 5ft, but can't miss or can't make anything outside of that. And statistically, that's right. I'm like 89% inside of 5ft and 20% from outside it. But is that helping me score any better? Apparently not knowing that information.
[00:45:22] Speaker B: Right? Yeah.
[00:45:23] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:45:23] Speaker B: And it's almost like. It's like, what's the purpose of the statistical analysis? Well, a lot of times it's to show you where you should be focusing your practice time.
[00:45:31] Speaker C: Right.
[00:45:31] Speaker B: Because again, there's these ceilings. There's these ceilings on skill potential, depending on how much time you have to play and practice. And so if you are near the peak of your ceiling for, say, driving accuracy and efficiency, then we need to lower the driver practice time and increase the putting time, which is where we struggle or the short game time or whatever, because there's only.
[00:45:51] Speaker C: It's.
[00:45:51] Speaker B: It's like I tell all my clients, again, what do you want to accomplish by taking lessons with me? And what are you willing to give up? Because you're going to have to give up time doing something else in order to practice enough or work on the things enough to reach your goals. You just don't have it any other way.
So that's typically what statistical analysis and tracking is supposed to do, is to help you focus and structure your practice time so you're not spinning your wheels, wasting energy and time and money.
Um, but another way to do it could be to just. Rather than trying to do it while you're playing competitive rounds or rounds for score, just go do practice rounds and try to mentally still be in it. But that way, you can just take that time. And on each screen, you might putt five different putts from different areas around the hole and track your stats that way. So you get a lot of data in the same amount of, like, time.
You know, you might hit up and down from, like the pros do practice rounds. That's the purpose of the practice rounds, is to put themselves in a whole bunch of scenarios and try and figure out, how do I play this shot or what's the best play, how does the green break? Whatever.
What happens if I try to hit a cut instead of a straight shot here? What, you know, whatever the case may be, but Then when it's game time and they're actually playing the competitive round of golf, they're not doing all that.
[00:47:00] Speaker C: Right.
[00:47:00] Speaker B: They're not thinking about all that. They're playing. They're focused.
It'd be no different than like trying to watch film. I mean, I know football players do this a little bit. The quarterbacks will do this in between offensive and defensive sessions. Like, if they threw an interception, they might want to look back and see what the defense did because they're making chess move application changes. Changes right there during the game. But when the. Their team is on defense, they're not on offense. Right. There's. They literally can take that time to sit down.
But that'd be like Michael Jordan pulling out an iPad, running down the field, trying to analyze what just went wrong on the last play. But he's got to play defense. Right. It just doesn't work that way.
[00:47:35] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. You've got to be sort of instinctive when you're in play mode. All right, last question. Because I know Mike's probably getting ready to take a nap, so I want to hurry and get you out of here before.
Yeah, one last turn down technical street here. So I'm going to. This is a. Kind of a technical question, but on the. The point that was making earlier about the details and attention to the details, sometimes I don't know the difference between getting too technical and just this is paying attention to details. You know what I mean? So something that I learned in the last couple of weeks as I've really, really been struggling with the Read green. Green reading.
I learned that I am left eye dominant, which I didn't even know was. Somebody asked me, are you left eye dominant? And I was like, I don't know. What does that even mean? But it turns out I'm left eye dominant but right handed. So that's cross dominant. Apparently that's somewhat rare. Not incredibly rare, but it's only like 20 to 30% of the population that has that. But like 85% of the PGA Tour is cross dominant. So it's apparently supposed to be a good thing for golfers. It's not helping me. I didn't. I don't think.
That's not the point. As I've been trying to kind of apply this. It's like, okay, well, how does this affect my alignment issues? I always tend to line up my feet a little bit too far.
[00:48:56] Speaker C: Right.
[00:48:56] Speaker A: That's my tendency. I think my. I learned what started this whole rabbit hole was I was. I noticed I was lining my Putter up way left. Like I think I'm lined up dead center and I'm lined up a ball out left from five feet.
So kind of went down this little rabbit hole of okay, how does your dominant eye affect things? So the question is just, is that too technical to be worrying about or is that the kind of details that I need to be diving into? Because one or two degrees of difference in alignments, all the difference in the world.
So it does this matter and if it matters. Do you have any insights, either of you?
[00:49:36] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean the eye dominance thing, I'm the same way. I'm left eye dominant, right handed.
But I think the bigger question of is paying attention to your alignment and practicing your alignment important? Obviously, I think it is because if you look at LPGA tour players, college players, PGA tour players, you go to a tournament or a practice round on the driving range, they've all got their alignment stick pointed at their target and they've typically got another one on their feet or something like that because they're, that's how important it is to them, right? They've got to know, they've got to eliminate the variable of aim alignment. Have I, am I set up properly to what I'm intending to do? Therefore I can adjust and analyze the rest of the ball flight and everything else from there.
But you have to train your eyes. Some people see a parallel line or a perpendicular line very easily.
From down the line I can see my target line. But as soon as they step to the side, you get that parallax error and they don't know how to adjust for that. That's the biggest, one of the biggest misconceptions that the amateur or the low, the high handicap golfer has is they can see their target line from behind the ball. And then as soon as they get to the side, it all changes. So look here, this is directly down the target line. As soon as I move it here, see how it looks off, it's changed. Now it looks like it's in an, at an angle. So if I'm set, set up here looking down the target line, as soon as I get to the side, they'll point this way to aim at that target line. But they're looking at it from a different vantage point. So they go this way with it. And that's why so many right handed high handicapped golfers aim right miles, right? Because as soon as they get to the left side of that golf ball, they point out that way, they've picked their intermediate target on the ground. Well, I'M going to aim at it, but now I'm looking at it from this vantage point here.
And they aim miles, right? So, yes. That's why the alignment sticks are so important to train your eye line. And I'll. I'll set people up.
[00:51:22] Speaker C: We'll.
[00:51:23] Speaker B: I'll get my golf. My students will set up these parallel lines. Here's the one down the target line, and here's the one over here. And they're like. They'll stand on it. And they look. And they're like, this looks like I'm aimed 50 yards left. And I'm like, well, hold on a second. Didn't you just stand behind this and observe and verify that both of these lines are parallel?
[00:51:41] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:51:42] Speaker B: I'm like, well, then you've got to trust that. You've got to train your eyes to that.
[00:51:46] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:51:46] Speaker B: And y' all show them a camera. I'll show them a video, whatever. Like, holy crap. I had no idea I was pointed that far right, you know, so it's. It's definitely important. It's not a rabbit hole like some things are.
To train your eyes, train your eyeline.
[00:51:59] Speaker A: That was definitely my experience when I went. I went to Sully's one day, and I was putting five footers, and I videoed my putt, and I was videoing for the purpose of just watching my stroke. And I got up to it, and I realized my putter is aimed, like, literally a ball out left from five or six feet, whatever it was. So then I. I think I lined it up with the ball, got back over the ball, and said, okay, I gotta line my face up to that line. And I swear it felt like I was aimed a ball out right easily. And I was just like, there is no way this is square. But I know it is. I just saw it.
And I think that's where sometimes when you're on the golf course and you feel that way, it's one of my struggles, and I was talking to you about this a minute ago or earlier, that if I'm over anytime, I have, you know, so you got a putt that breaks a ball left, you're behind it, and you know that that's what it breaks. And then I get over it, and I feel like, man, it feels like it's got to break more than this.
If I commit to that ball out right or whatever that I started.
I always miss it low in that scenario. But I. It turns out my instinctive read over the putt would have been correct, where my read from behind the ball Was wrong. I don't know if that's because I read the ball better or read the putt better from over the ball. That makes no sense. Or if it's because once I get over it, I just don't feel confident and I pull it or I do something stupid because I'm trying to adjust it. But. And those are the details. I think that when I try to focus on those types of details, I feel like I'm locked. Like I'm locked up. I've got too much that I'm, you know, thinking about or whatever. So that's where I struggle. But got to put more reps in with it and a lot. I did have one other topic we completely forgot about Preston and the backyard golf. We never talked about that.
[00:53:46] Speaker B: Preston and David. Yep. How did that go? Yeah, I know you said you got there, and. Well, first of all, what did you think of the entire vibe and the entire place?
[00:53:55] Speaker A: Dude, it was amazing. It was. It had a fantastic time. And if Preston does listen, thank you for the invite. That was a blast. And I hope to do it again next time you do it.
[00:54:03] Speaker B: Oh, timeout. The only reason you went was because I was injured, so let's just make that.
[00:54:07] Speaker A: He clarified. He clarified that I was not your replacement. It was somebody else.
[00:54:13] Speaker B: Oh, okay. You're somebody else's replacement, so.
[00:54:16] Speaker A: But no, it was great. I got there about 8:15, 8:30, a little bit early. And so he's like, you know, go. Go get some shots, warm up, whatever. Well, I'm not paying attention to it, and I just, you know, hit the first shot out there to whatever, and I start to walk out to get my ball. And the way this thing is set up, you've got tee boxes all around, like in a big circle or horseshoe. So somebody else is also practicing. And I don't realize I'm walking right through the driving range. Basically, I'm like, in the middle of it, and guy almost takes my head off. So he was.
I got a little bit of the Tony experience there, but definitely not something you can prepare for in any way, shape, or form. It's intentionally grown up, like you said. And me and you could hit the exact same shot, land two feet apart, and mine kicks 15 yards right, yours kicks five yards left. You just. There's no rhyme or reason for it, but it was amazing. It was a lot of fun.
So shout out to those guys and thanks for the invite. That was a pleasure.
[00:55:14] Speaker B: How cool is that, that someone's got in his backyard like that and he dug all the earth and everything to make it like, it's. It's pretty cool. You can see his mind at work and how he's thinking through the. The holes and design. I mean, he's a golf course architect. It's what he does.
[00:55:24] Speaker A: So, yeah, number 17 is the coolest thing I've ever. It's like a 40 yard shot, but it's intentionally behind trees, so you have to. I was juggle. Like, this is my game. Like, I got this shot. This is what I'm used to, you know, but it's.
[00:55:40] Speaker B: I actually have a video of me hitting from the bunker. You know that one. There's that one bunker and it's super steep. I actually had to hit a shot from the bunker and I hit it perfect. I think I landed it in the circle.
[00:55:50] Speaker A: So I don't know what the handicaps were of all the players there. I know a couple of them. I heard Gus say they were like PGA pros, whether, you know, worked at some club or wherever.
I know one of those guys didn't do very well at all. I think he was probably 10th or 12th and score.
I think they said Preston's like a two or three handicap, something like that. I don't know what David is, but you could very clearly see who had played that a whole lot of times and who was good. David shot like five freaking under par. And oh yeah, he was two or three under.
[00:56:24] Speaker B: And that he does right around the. The gimme circle. He makes so many. He holds out so many. It's like this little choppy thing.
[00:56:31] Speaker A: I mean, I'm. I'm watching this and I'm like, I'm. Because I played with him, he. I was with David and I was like, I think he needs to be giving us shots. This is literally his backyard. I have a feeling that he knows this better than we do, but now it was a lot of fun. And I think.
And I didn't realize how much like he keeps up with all. Every. Every round that has ever been played in competition. He's got stats. Total holes in one, which holes they were on, all time scoring record.
Like all this stuff. I mean, he is. It's.
He takes it. I don't say serious in like a bad way, but it's legit. You know what I mean? Like, for a backyard, this is. It's legit, but it still cares.
[00:57:13] Speaker C: He cares.
[00:57:14] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:57:15] Speaker B: Did you go upstairs and see the simulator room and everything?
[00:57:18] Speaker A: I didn't. Afterwards. Nobody, actually. I think everybody just kind of hung around and watched after it was over. He. He said, you know, I can go upstairs if you want to. But no, we had a great time. The guys were really cool, and the vibe was great.
[00:57:30] Speaker B: Did y' all do the competition where they set the beer bottles up and stuff on the posts and, you know, try to knock them off?
[00:57:37] Speaker A: No, that would have been.
[00:57:38] Speaker B: That one was a lot of fun. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. They did have the room, the main tee box area where all the food and drinks and everything gets set up right.
Right off the house. There's those wooden posts right there, and we set up, like, beer bottles and stuff. And you got a point if you hit the post. 3 points if you hit a bottle, Something like that. And it was, like, a total points game. That was fun.
[00:57:58] Speaker A: That's really cool. Yeah, no, they didn't do that. They did have the rule, I guess it's always a rule that if you landed on the mat on 18, you get to hit your first shot from there or something like that. I actually thought that I may have lost a ball on one shot. I had a little. It was one of the 50 yards. I kind of bladed it a little bit, and they were like, you may need to go get another ball, but we may not find that one. I was like, how do I lose a ball in a backyard pitch and putt? But kind of bladed it. But no, it was a really, really cool time and really good guys. And it was, like, I said, it was legit. I mean, he's got food and drinks and stuff set up out there and
[00:58:32] Speaker B: thought it was a good time.
[00:58:34] Speaker A: Hopefully you're healed up and can play in it the next time together.
[00:58:39] Speaker B: That'd be fun.
[00:58:40] Speaker A: All right, Mike, I'll let you go take your nap now. Thank you for staying with us this long.
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[00:59:21] Speaker B: I think country club money.
[00:59:24] Speaker A: All right, boys. See y'.
[00:59:25] Speaker C: All. Thanks, guys.
[00:59:30] Speaker A: Why Is that not allowed in the podcast? That's not. I didn't think that was bad enough to have to cut out.
[00:59:35] Speaker B: Listen, I'm not. Not. You're the editor, man. I'm not doing anything. I just didn't know what direction that was going to go, so.
[00:59:41] Speaker A: Well, it's Mike's life. It's not about the editing. It's Mike's life. We're dissecting it.
This is what I don't think is going to make the podcast, but we'll see.
